The Story of Sarah Records
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那时候任何玩我们这样音乐的乐队 Anyone that was doing music of the sort that we were
最想加入的厂牌一定是Sarah wanted to be on Sarah before they were on anything else
我是如此相信这个厂牌 I trusted the label so much
他们发行什么我都会买 I would buy anything they put out
那时有Sarah的演出 There were Sarah gigs
Sarah的巡演 there were Sarah tours
我们和Brighter So we would go on tour with Brighter
The Field Mice、Heavenly一起到处演 and The Field Mice and Heavenly
多棒的阵容 I mean what a great bill
那时Sarah有许多独立乐拥趸 Sarah had a lot of anoraks
跟着乐队到处跑 that followed the bands around
我觉得那很棒 因为 I think that's brilliant because
乐迷们真的非常在意乐队在说什么 they really cared about what they were saying
做什么 and what they were doing
似乎住哪里都不要紧 Just where we lived didn't seem to matter
只要一听说哪里有Sarah的演出 when it came to a Sarah gig
我们就会跑去看 We'd travel
我一直欣赏那种 I always appreciate in music
满怀热情创作出来的音乐 anything that's done with passion
我一直对那些觉得自己格格不入的人 I always have a real sympathy for people
抱有许多同情 who feel they're outside of the norm
如果音乐不够好 You can't romanticise something
是没法把它浪漫化的 that wasn't good
这是我遇到过的 It is the closest record label to perfection
最接近完美的唱片厂牌 that I've ever come across
人们之所以热衷于这个厂牌 There was a reason why people
是有原因的 were like so such obsessive completists
这关系到参与感、归属感 It was about being part of something and
只要你想，你也可以参与其中 you can join in too if you want
看到某人有张Sarah 7吋 If you see that someone's got like
你会“哦”地感叹 a Sarah Record 7" it's like Oh!
我有时也不敢相信 I think one thing that I'm always amazed by
自己做了这样一个厂牌 is that I ever ended up running a record label
因为如果你去问任何一个 because if you ask anybody who
看着我长大的人 knew me when I was growing up
我其实是那个最害羞的 I was the shyest
最不可能参与这种 least likely person to ever get involved
会受公众注意的事情的人 in anything that had any sort of public profile
我不觉得自己是个不快乐的少女 I don't think I was an unhappy teenager
但我想我确实比较喜欢 hut I think I quite liked
惨兮兮的那种 playing with miserabllism
The Smiths可能开发了我的这一属性 The Smiths were probably invented for me
当时我确实经常一身黑 I certainly you know wore a lot of black
像我这样年纪的人 I think for people of my age
当时唯一的新音乐渠道 you know John Peel was the only
就是John Peel的节目 real source of hearing new music
因为那时候Radio 1 because at that time Radio 1 I think
晚上7点就停了 used to go off air at 7 o'clock
不得不换台到Radio 2 in the evening and go over to Radio 2
然后John Peel晚上10点 and then John Peel used to come hack
会回到节目中 on again at 10 o'clock at night
所以对当时任何一个 So anybody that was into
喜欢另类、有趣、非主流音乐的人来说 any sort of alternative, interesting, different music
如果你不听John Peel if you didn't listen to John Peel
就永远也听不到独立音乐 you would never hear it
他个人在广播中的存在 His presence as a person on the radio
对许多人来说十分鲜活 and I think that's true for a lot of people
从来都不仅仅关乎音乐 It was never just about the music
能听到从John Peel手中放出的音乐才是最重要的 it was always about listening to John Peel as well
其他什么人 and that someone else
哪怕放的是同样的音乐 playing the exact same music
也无法产生同样的效果 wouldn't have been quite the same thing
那时候我妈妈总是催我 so it was always sort of my mum trying
关掉收音机 to get me to turn it off
还要确保我没有在被窝里偷偷听 and make sure I wasn't listening under the bed clothes and stuff
那些John Peel的节目里 Those John Peel shows
播放的乐队都是诸如 I mean it was bands like
Echo and The Bunnymen
Teardrop Explodes, Gang of Four
都是那样的 it was that sort of
当然还少不了Joy Division Joy Division obviously
在那样一个时代 it was that sort of era and then
突然听到Orange Juice suddenly hearing Orange Juice I think
我突然想 was the sudden thought that
或许我也可以参与其中 maybe I could be involved with a scene like this
那些乐队听起来都是一些 These sound like the sort of people that
我可以结识和交流 I could sort of meet and talk to
并且相处得不错的人 and get on with
我看过The Alarm很多次 I went to see the Alarm a lot
他们就像我的初恋 I mean they were sort of my first loves
现在我不再喜欢那样的音乐 And I'm not a fan of the music any more
但还是欣赏他们的政治态度 but I loved the politics of them
我喜欢他们那么平易近人地 and I loved the fact that they deliberately
对待他们的乐迷 made themselves so accessible to the fans
所以你永远可以演出后 so you could always go and
径直走过去和他们交谈 talk to them afterwards
你的初恋乐队 Which you know for first real love of a band
变成了触手可及的人 to be someone you could go and talk to was
那种感觉真的太棒了 quite amazing really I think so
我认为那些经历帮助我形成了 I think that sort of formed quite a lot of my principles
对音乐的定义和看法 about what music should be like really
我在伦敦长大 I mean having grown up in London
我知道自己没法在小地方生活 I knew I couldn't live anywhere small
我不想去一个相对小的城镇 I didn't want to go to university in a
去上大学 relatively small city or town
我知道布里斯托 我喜欢它周围的乡间 Bristol I know I liked the countryside around it
我喜欢那里的船舶之类 I like the sort of maritime aspect
也喜欢那边的河流 I like the river
喜欢那里总有点 and I like the fact that it's always seemed
略怪异 略不同的感觉 slightly quirky and slightly different
我最大的惊喜，是发现 The big event for me was finding out
那个住我隔壁的家伙 that the guy who was living next door to me in the halls of residence at Bristol
和我听同样的音乐 was into virtually the same music as me
于是我们就经常互相安利 and we would sort of egg each other on
一起去看演出 买唱片 and go to gig's together and buy records
聊各种音乐的事情 and talk about them
一天我们在什么报纸上看到一篇文章 And then I think one day we saw a piece in
我想应该是NME I think it was the NME
关于一本叫《Hungry Beat》的fanzine about a fanzine called Hungry Beat
那个时候正好是 and this was in the era
Creation厂牌推出首批乐队 of the sort of first Creation bands
Jasmine Minks、Biff Bang Pow! Sort of Jasmine Minks, Biff Bang Pow!
这一类的 People like that
于是我们就订购了这本fanzine So we sent off for this fanzine
觉得它太棒了 and just thought that was fantastic
因为上面写的全是我们爱的乐队 because it was writing about all these bands that we loved
我们觉得自己也能行 and we thought we could do something like this
80年代的fanzine风潮 That whole sort of like explosion
一部分原因要归于 of fanzines in the 80's was partly to do
伦敦音乐媒体的无能 with the actual inability of the London music press
他们根本不愿挪挪屁股 to actually get off their arses
去首都以外的地方 and come to you know
探寻好的音乐 the provinces
当时没有互联网 Without the internet it was
很难找到你可能会喜欢的音乐 really hard to find out about stuff that you might like
基本上你只能通过John Peel和那些fanzine You basically had John Peel and fanzines
这两种渠道 essentially were the two ways
才能接触到那些 that you could actually find out about stuff that was below
NME不屑关注的音乐 the level that the NME was writing about
现在看来简直难以置信 That seems almost incredible now
因为现在实在太容易了 because its so easy
当时每个热衷音乐的人 Everyone was obsessed with music
他们几周内就会知道 They knew almost within a few weeks
又冒出了哪些新的好乐队 of who these great hands are around
因为有人会很快编写出fanzine you know because people were just churning out these fanzines saying
上面会推荐 listen to this lot
突然间 整个世界在我眼前打开 Suddenly this whole world opened up to me
我能够有机会 Stuff I could actually have a chance
跟着那些音乐哼唱 of singing along to
把它们翻弹出来 playing along to
人们在便笺纸背面 People made fanzines
创作fanzine on the back of notepaper
他们从各种杂志上剪下许多东西 and they cut out things from magazines
拼贴在一起 and paste it together
然后在当地图书馆复印 and then they'd photocopy it at the local library
再去演出上分发 and then give it out at gigs
那是一个非常 You know it was a very
尽管非常“简朴” Although it was an austere time
但极富创造力的时代 it was a very creative time
我16岁的时候 I started my fanzine which was called KVATCH
创办了自己的fanzine《KVATCH》 when I was sixteen
里面我采访了各种各样的人物 It was quite a mixed bag of interviewees
我采访过Ivor Cutler I interviewed Ivor Cutler
他是我在伊尔克利文学节上 who was a really interesting chap to meet
遇到的一个非常有意思的人 at the llkley Literature Festival
Ewan MacColl
The Pogues
Half Man Half Biscuit
还有Terry and Gerry，我曾经很喜欢他们 Terry and Gerry who I used to really like
Billy Bragg
我在演出上卖掉不少 I sold it quite a lot at gigs
而且我发现 and I always found that you know
如一些我很想去的演出 if there were some gigs I wanted to go to that
一旦我准备在那儿卖fanzine I couldn't really drag anyone with
就没人愿意和我一起去了 then if you'd got fanzines to sell
在乐队上台和换场的间隙 you got a kind of crutch to fill the time
卖fanzine好像成了一种打发时间的寄托 before the band came on and in-between the bands
所以我就在场地四处闲逛 So I did quite a lot of just walking around
试着向观众兜售 trying to sell people fanzines
我应该向《Hungry Beat》的Kevin道歉 I shall apologize to Kevin who wrote Hungry Beat now
因为第一期《Are You Scared To Get Happy?》 because the first issue of Are You Scared To Get Happy?
我们做的那本fanzine the fanzine that we did
基本上就是他的翻版 was a complete rip off of his fanzine basically
每个地方都很像 lt just looked like it in every aspect
但那是我们的第一次 but it was the first thing we'd done
在我们看来 You know as far as we were concerned
fanzine就该这个样子 that's what fanzines looked like
所以我们也做成了这个样子 so that's what ours looked like
第一次知道fanzine的时候 When I first came across the idea
我觉得这个想法很棒 of fanzines I just thought this is great
因为我知道自己喜欢音乐 Because I know I love music
也喜欢写作 and I know I like writing
所以这是一个绝好的机会 so this was a perfect opportunity
可以把这两者结合起来 to combine the two and actually
写关于唱片和音乐的文章 write about the records and the music
这对我来说意味着很多 that mean a lot to me
《Are You Scared To Get Happy?》
文字非常好，非常吸引人 Seemed to me to be just brilliantly written, Really intriguing
里面的文笔有些另类 He was writing in this weird
带点意象主义 kind of imagistic way
写他的生活，写音乐 about his life and about music
和对他产生的影响 and about the effect it was having
我完全被吸引住了 I was completely you know taken with it
我认为这写得太棒了 I thought this is...this is sort of great
前几期的《Are You Scared To Get Happy?》 The first couple of issues of Are You Scared To Get Happy?
都是纯粹的fanzine were just straight fanzines
之后我们每期 Eventually we ended up doing flexi-discs
会附薄膜唱片 with the fanzines as well
这一改变 and then that increased the
让更多人产生了兴趣 number of people who would write off even more
当时其他人也发薄膜唱片 Other people were putting out flexi-discs
我知道的第一张 The first one I was aware of was
可能是Orange Juice的“Felicity” probably the one that came with
附赠一张7吋薄膜 an early Orange Juice single that had a
但薄膜唱片总感觉有些骗钱 But flexi-discs had always been kind of quite gimmicky
要么是杂志里送一张 You'd get them stuck to the covers
要么搭配正常发行的单曲 of magazines or given away free
进行附赠 with a proper single
Sha La La这个厂牌的概念 And the whole concept of Sha La La
它就是一个正规厂牌 was that it was actually a proper label
我非常喜欢那些音乐 And I really like the music
他们大概发行了8张薄膜唱片 I think that run of eight flexis
都非常棒 they're brilliant
我们还拿过一次“本周最佳单曲” We did actually get a Single of the Week
是Baby Lemonade乐队 for a band called Baby Lemonade
他们的单曲被《Melody Maker》评为当周最佳 And that got Single of the Week in Melody Maker
我没有不敬的意思 and no offence to the band
单曲很棒 但是乐评人 it was a great single but the reviewer
显然更看重 clearly loved the fact that our
我们咄咄逼人的文案 press release was so belligerent
我们特别强调 We had taken the line that
我们和业内其他人都不一样 we are different from the rest of the music industry
要知道这样薄薄一片塑料 You know this is a flimsy piece of plastic
要花费几百英镑 it cost you know a couple of hundred quid to make
放大概50次就报废了 It will probably self destruct after about 50 plays
其实不是真的 还能继续放 which isn't actually true, they do go on
但我们特别强调这一点 But we very much played this line
这是转瞬即逝的流行乐 that you know it's ephemeral pop
如果放太多次 它会自毁 It will you know destroy itself if you play it too much
但这也是它的美丽所在 but that's sort of part of the beauty of it
今天绽放 明天消逝 That this song is here today and gone tomorrow
真的挺幸运 Quite luckily really
Sea Urchins有盒两首歌的样带 There was a two song Sea Urchins demo tape
收了Clingfilm、Summershine这两首 with Clingfilm and Summershine on
Sha La La想发Summershine and Sha La La wanted to do Summershine
而我选了Clingfilm and I wanted to do Clingfilm
幸好没选同一首 and I guess thankfully we didn't both want to do the same song
我们和Sha La La不谋而合 This was happening at the same time
我们也听了Sea Urchins的样带 that on Sha La La we were hearing a Sea Urchins tape
应该是同一版吧 I think the same tape
但我们喜欢上了不同的歌 but we liked a different song
这纯属巧合 But that was just pure coincidence
我们当时还没见过Clare that we'd never met Clare
但就在约克郡 but it was just up in Yorkshire
她也在听 she was listening to the same tape
一样的样带 that we were listening to
我1986年搬到布里斯托 I moved to Bristol in 1986
去那里上大学 and I moved there to go to University
真不知道为什么当时选了布里斯托 I don't really know why I chose to go to Bristol
非常随意的一个决定 One of those fairly random decisions really
我们都知道彼此 I mean we were both aware
我们交换过 of each other because we'd sort of
或是她给我寄过 swapped or rather she'd sent me
自己的fanzine a copy of her fanzine and then
然后我们在布里斯托一个演出上相遇 we met at a gig in Bristol and
互相介绍了自己 introduced ourselves to each other
是Primal Scream在Bierkeller给Julian Cope暖场 It was Primal Scream supporting Julian Cope at the Bierkeller
我在兜售fanzine And I was selling my fanzine and sort of
我走到Matt面前问 you know approached Matt and said
“想买fanzine吗？” "Do you want a copy of my fanzine?"
他说 “哦，你就是Clare吧 And he said "Oh you must be Clare
你已经给我寄过一本了” you've sent me one already"
听上去像在说 It came across as a bit like
“走开” ‘shove off' really
但他大概不是故意的 but I don't suppose it was meant to be
我不知道 I don't know
从我们第一次相遇 I think from the first time we met
好好聊过以后 and talked properly
我们显然……很投缘 we just clearly...just got on well
我们都做fanzine I mean we both had the background
那是我们的共同点 of the fanzines so we had that in common
他给我的感觉 He seemed very different
和我遇到的其他男孩都很不同 from all the other boys I suppose I'd met
就非常 Just very
非常自信 但同时又 very self assured but at the same time
非常腼腆 you know quite shy as well
我认为这是个非常有趣的组合 I think that was a really interesting combination
他非常了解自己是谁 He knew exactly who he was
和心里想的那些事 and what he thought about stuff
她给我的印象很深 I know I was always impressed
因为Clare编第一本fanzine时 because Clare had written her first fanzine
只有16岁 when she was 16
她来布里斯托的第一晚 I think her first night when she first came to Bristol
就去了一场演出 she went to a gig on her first
是刚到的第一晚 night in Bristol
这也让我很佩服 which again quite impressed me
我可是花了好久 because it took me ages to sort of
才搞清哪里有演出 get my head round where things were
演出是怎么回事之类的 and how things were happening and so forth
所以我想我当时 so I think I was quite
可以说相当震惊 quite intimidated probably
她还那么年轻 by the fact that she just seemed
却已经做了那么多事 to have done so much so young
我想我和Clare I think me and Clare
成为情侣 coming together as a couple
和想建一个厂牌 sort of coincided with us having the idea
差不多是同时发生的 to set up a record label
很难分出一个先后 It's very hard to distinguish between the two
这一切挺自然就发生了 It seemed sort of obvious
我们之前都在做 since we were both doing
和创意有关的事 I suppose creative stuff
所以一起去做一件fanzine以外的事 to do something together which
也挺顺理成章 probably wasn't going to be a fanzine
厂牌似乎就是发行薄膜唱片后 It was almost like the next step after
下一步应该做的 after flexis really
刚开始做Sarah时 When we started Sarah
Clare还在读大学 Clare was still at University
当时我们住在Upper Belgrave路 I mean we were living in a sort of bedsit
一个客卧两用出租屋 in Upper Belgrave Road in Bristol
基本就是一个 I mean very much literally a sort of
地上铺了床垫的单人间 single room with a mattress on the floor
和一个单独的厨房 and a separate kitchen but that was it
非常局促 It was very intense because
基本上就是一个房间 it literally was just essentially one room
我们还在那里住了好多年 and that's where we lived for a couple of years
我在停车场打过工 So I'd been working in a car park
后来失业了一段时间 then I'd been sort of unemployed
再后来我参加了 for a while and then I went on the
企业补助计划 Enterprise Allowance Scheme which was
这是一个政府计划 a government scheme that basically
如果你创业 paid you ￡40 a week
政府每周给你40英镑 if you were starting a new business
申请加入那个企业补助计划期间 So when I was going to go on the Enterprise Allowance Scheme
所有人都必须去一个大型会议 we all had to go down to this big meeting
在Temple Meads火车站附近 which took place in a drab office block
一片乏味的办公楼 near Temple Meads Station
包括我们在内大概20个人 And about twenty of us
围坐在一个大圆桌旁 sat down round a big table
然后他们会问 and they went round saying you know
你的经营计划是什么样的？ what's your business going to be?
我们都得站起来 And we all had to stand up and basically
告诉所有人我们的经营计划 tell the group what our business was going to be
当中还有一段 There was sort of a brief talk about
关于如何记账 how to keep accounts and bookkeeping
诸如此类的简述 and all that side of things
但在这之后 But after that basically we were
就让我们走了 told to go away and here's your
拿上每周的40英镑 40 a week and do
用一年来做想做的事 what you can with it for a year
我记得 The way I remember it
你还记得吗 I don't know if you do
你问该起什么名字 is you said "What shall we call it?”
我说“Sarah” and I went 'Sarah'
是的 就是这样 Yeah that was it
餐桌对话 it was across the kitchen table
所以我觉得这个名字 So you know the idea is I suppose
是人格化的 it was personified
一个女性化的名字似乎非常重要 It felt really important to have a
因为在当时的音乐行业里 female reference because there were so few
太欠缺这一点了 female references in any part of the music industry at the time
一切事物都是男性主导的 Everything was so male orientated
无论是媒体 whether it was the press
还是唱片厂牌 the record labels
行业里的每一个身居高位的人 just everybody in positions of power
都是男的 in the industry were male
所以我们觉得这样很不错 so we liked the idea that this label
用女孩的名字来命名厂牌 would come along and it would have a girl’s name essentially
如果没有The Sea Urchins I don't know if Sarah would exist
不知Sarah是否还会存在 without The Sea Urchins
是他们把我们两个人 They were the band that sort of literally
联系到了一起 brought the two of us together
The Sea Urchins是一个帮派 The Sea Urchins were a gang and
他们都穿切尔西靴 they'd got the Chelsea boots and the
留着类似的发型 看上去就像个乐队 haircuts and they looked like a band
他们差不多就是个小圈子 and they were kind of a clique
那时他们还很年轻 They were very young at the time
最大的也才16岁 I think the oldest was still about 16
那天他们在布里斯托的Thekla演出 They played on the Thekla in Bristol
奇怪的一晚 It was an odd evening because
他们有个朋友 one of their friends came with them
在台上表演了一段脱衣舞 and performed a strip tease on stage with them
一个男性朋友 a male friend
就在他们演的时候 Who just took all his clothes off
脱光了所有衣服 while they were playing and then
再全部穿上 put his clothes back on again
而他们依然在演 also while they were playing
那么奇怪的夜晚 It was a very odd evening
可我还是觉得他们很棒 but I thought they were great
那首Pristine Christine I mean Pristine Christine
在我看来它就该是 it still sounds to me like a song to
一个厂牌的开篇之作 launch a record label with
如今它听上去还是非常重要 It still sounds important
非常特别 and it still sounds special
这张唱片刚出来的时候 When the records came out it was actually
真的非常令人激动 it was actually exciting
大家聚在一起 People would gather round to listen
听刚发行的新歌 to the new ones that came out
我还记得The Sea Urchine的第二张单曲 I can remember The Sea Urchins second one
我记得那时候去了 I can remember going round to someone's
某人的公寓 flat at the time and there was about
八九个人坐在那里 8 or 9 people sat around
共同聆听第一次播放 for the first playing of it
Pristine Christine的反响真的很好 Pristine Christine got a really really great response
我们太幸运了 I mean we were really lucky with it
拿到“本周最佳单曲” I mean we got Single of the Week
连John Peel也播了 and John Peel played it
Janice Long播的是唱片B面 Janice Long played the b-side
放完后立即再放了一遍 and then started playing it again immediately she'd finished
因为她实在太喜欢那首歌了 because she liked it so much
当时我们只是把 So I mean it really was just a
很小一部分精力 quite concentrated little
放在了宣传上面 whoosh of publicity which
因为那是一个新厂牌发行的 you know for the first record
第一张唱片 on a new label just got things off
就已经开了一个好头 to a great start really
真是激动人心 and oh it was really exciting yeah
当你从收音机里 You know to hear a record
听到自己出的唱片 you've put out on the radio
那种感觉真是…… was just you know
真正创作这首歌的乐队 God knows what it's like for the band
那该有多兴奋啊 whose actually made the record but you know
肾上腺素激增，实在精彩 It was thrilling, it was brilliant
我们不能指望更多了 You know we couldn't have hoped for more
正如我说的 as I say so you know and
那时候Revolver Distribution Revolver Distribution as they were then
承担了唱片的制作费用 were paying for the manufacture
所以显然他们很高兴 so obviously they were pleased
那正是他们期望的结果 it was what they were hoping for
他们冒了一定风险 and you know they take a hit of a punt
把钱投在一群小屁孩身上 on effectively some kids
但最终他们回了本 And they would have got their money back
那也意味着他们愿意 and that meant they were happy to pay for
承担下张唱片的制作费 the manufacture of the next one
一切顺利 It was all great
The Orchids从始至终 The Orchids were with Sarah
都跟随着厂牌 for the whole length of the label
我猜没有其他乐队是这样了 which I guess nobody else was really
他们有点淘气 And they were a bit a bit kind of naughty
我想这是最适合的形容词 I think would be the best way to put it
我们一起去过巴黎几次 There was a couple of times we were in
其中一次 Paris when one time they
他们用酒店电话 sort of rang everyone they knew abroad
给所有认识的人打长途 on the hotel phone and then
Heavenly是最后离开的 Heavenly were the last people to leave
因为账单被拦住了 and got stuffed with the bill
我们只好回去付了钱 And we had to go back and pay it
不知怎么他们又 And I dunno they somehow managed to get
把自己反锁在了房间里 trapped in their hotel room but one of them
乐队有人幽闭恐怖 was claustrophobic so they had to kind of
所以只好破门而出 force their way out and the whole
整场演出的收益 sport of profit for the whole gig
都花在修酒店房间门上了 went on fixing the hotel room door
他们是Sarah出了名的坏孩子 So they had this bad boys of Sarah reputation
但可能是因为 but I think probably on the
Sarah这样一个修道院一样的地方 scale of kind a nunnery
才特别显得他们 that made them
像托儿所之类的 made them the bad boys of kind of
坏小孩 infant school or something really
Sarah的许多乐队 A lot of the bands on Sarah
尽管我们自己特别喜欢 even though we loved them
但要说他们可以上 we'd be lying if we said they could
主流电台的白天档 ever have got on sort of
那一定是在撒谎 mainstream daytime radio or anything like that
但The Orchids是非常好的创作者 But The Orchids were just fantastic songwriters
能写非常美妙的歌 writing fantastic songs
任何人 无论背景、年龄 and really anybody from any background any age
无论音乐品味如何 whatever their tastes in music
都理应喜欢上The Orchids really ought to love The Orchids
他们在斯托克城 They played Stoke-On-Trent
连演两晚 for two consecutive nights
结果那两晚当中 and ended up sleeping in a field
只能睡在一片田里 between the two nights because
因为他们找不到落脚的地方 they couldn't find anywhere to stay in Stoke
这让你觉得 and you just think
这不应该啊 they shouldn't be doing this
这不是他们应得的待遇 they're far too good for this
我们喜欢做唱片 We're happy doing, making records
这件事总是让我们很高兴 We were always happy that we made records
因为Sarah很支持我们 because Sarah allowed us to
对此我们心满意足 and we were always chuffed with it
和很多人说起 When you say to a lot of people
我们来自布里斯托 that we were based in Bristol
他们立马想到Massive Attack they immediately think of Massive Attack
Portishead 还有整个trip-hop场景 and Portishead and the whole trip-hoppy scene
显然我们不属于那类 and obviously we weren't involved
就像存在于 in that at all and seemed to exist
平行宇宙 in a completely parallel universe to that
我是说 我们 I mean there was us
还有Subway厂牌 and there was Subway Records
和整个trip-hop圈 and really that was just so completely separate to
已经发生或正在发生的 what was going on or had been going on
没有任何关系 in the world of trip-hop
Sarah的整个历史中 In the whole course of Sarah only two
只有两个乐队来自布里斯托 of our bands ever came from Bristol
我想这让其他国家的乐迷 Which I think disappoints a lot of fans
失望不已 from abroad who thought the city was just
他们以为这座城市全是indie pop乐队 full of these indie pop hands
个个留着西瓜头 and people with bowl cuts
或是蓬松刘海 and floppy fringes and things
但这根本不是真的 but that never was the case
我们觉得 I think we felt
虽然大家做的音乐 and I don't think this comes across
没有共同之处 in the music at all
但做音乐的态度 but the attitude was very much influenced
都受到朋克场景影响 by the punk scene
1976年我才8岁 And I was eight in 1976 so I mean
我没有直接被影响 I wasn't in any way directly influenced by it
但人人都能拿起吉他演奏 But that idea that anyone can pick up a guitar and play
人人都能制作fanzine any one can start a fanzine
人人都能建厂牌的理念 any one can start a record label
正是朋克运动发展 I mean that was the sort of
的基石所在 bedrock that it was founded upon
你不一定要去想 The idea is that you don't have to go along
音乐应该 with a corporate idea of what
听上去怎样 music should sound like
你可以做你所想 You can do your own thing
去冒险 you can be adventurous
发挥想象力 you can be imaginative
也不用花很多钱录音 Also that you don't need to record things expensively
可以就在卧室里录 You can just record something in a bedroom
只要有想法 and if the ideas are there
有感情 and the feelings are there
你录的音乐 that will be just as valid
会和那些花费几百万 as something that's cost millions
在录音棚里录的有同样效果 of pounds to record in the studio
那些早期的Primal Scream Those early Primal Scream records
他们的头两张单曲 those first two Primal Scream singles were
是非常激发灵感的 devastatingly inspirational I think
McCarthy, The June Brides
也都很鼓舞人心 they were all very inspirational
我们是Another Sunny Day We're called Another Sunny Day
来自彭赞斯 and we're from Penzance
我和我兄弟想 And me and my brother thought
哇这也太棒了 wow that's amazing what is it?
就像是 You know it's like
听上去就像 it sounds like
地下丝绒的片段 a Velvet Underground out-take
那模糊的吉他效果 And actually all the fuzzy guitars
也和人们印象中典型的Sarah音乐 Were not in keeping with actually what people
无法联系到一起 thought of as the fey Sarah sound
它是在卧室有用四轨录音机录的 It's recorded in a bedroom on a 4-track machine
然后用薄膜唱片进行压制 It's pressed on a flexi-disc
可能是有点寒碜 It probably is shambling
一切都经过了反复折损 Everything is bounced down so many times
结果就得到了这样一种模模糊糊的声音 it's just this wonderful sort of blur of sound
但听起来实在太棒 But it sounds absolutely fantastic
我们很想 and we very much wanted to
通过薄膜唱片发行 put it out on a flexi-disc
因为感觉那是 because that seemed the absolute
最完美的呈现方式 perfect way of presenting it
是“一次性”流行乐的最佳诠释 This almost definition of sort of disposable poppiness
他好像真的非常坦诚 He really seems to wear his heart on his sleeve
歌词也一样 lyrically as well
这非常令我动容 which l find very touching and moving
我想这也是 I think it's a theme with
其他一些Sarah乐队的主题 a few of the other Sarah bands as well
他们在情感上 I mean they were quite
是非常诚实的 emotionally honest I suppose
但也不会非要表达 but they weren't necessarily
我的生活到底怎么了 what was going on in my in my life
感谢上帝 Thank God
# 我爱上了一个女孩 # I'm in love with a girl
# 但她并不知道我的存在 # who doesn't know I exist
大多数不太熟悉厂牌的人 Most people who aren't very familiar with the label
会觉得Sarah Records think of Sarah Records
和政治没什么关系 they don't think of politics
而是想到 我不知道 They think of I don't know
抚摸小猫什么的吧 stroking kittens or something
我的意思是撒切尔好像 I mean Thatcher just seemed to have been in
对于我们这一辈人来说 you know for people of my generation
撒切尔好像永远在执政一样 Thatcher had just been in power forever
你要么是左翼 要么是右翼 You were either left wing or right wing
许多人对此直言不讳 A lot of people were really quite vocal about it
这就是Sarah所处的音乐场景 and that was the backdrop to the scene
它背后的时代背景 Sarah existed in and we were both
我们对政治也很感兴趣 very interested in politics
80年代中后期流行 The mid to late 80s was a time of
3首歌的12吋单曲 每首3、4分钟 3 track 12 singles, 3 or 4 minute pop song
附一些加长版之类 with some sort of extended version
这真的是诱惑你 and it was really just an attempt to
一而再再而三地 get you to buy the same thing
买同样的东西 Twice over or three times over
要收集两个版本 You'd have to have two versions
因为有两种封面 with different sleeves
这对我们来说就是政治问题 and that to us was a political thing
是崇尚消费主义 about consumerism and
是不尊重歌迷 treating your fans like dirt basically
或者只想着用大家的钱 or really just as you know
来喂饱你自己 people to feed you with cash
我知道当时发行方 I know that the distro they had at the time
肯定和他们说过好几次 did say to them on several occasions
如果你们停止发行这些无用的7吋 you know if you stop doing these crappy 7" singles
都换成12吋的话 and put out a few 12"s
大家都能多赚点钱 we could all make a bit of brass
仅仅通过卖唱片这种行为 Just by the act of selling records
你就成了资本主义者 you are being capitalist but you don't
但你其实不用真的去压榨 have to actually abuse the people
那些掏钱的人 you are taking the money from basically
不用压榨歌迷 you don't have to abuse the fans
我们总想从歌迷角度 We just always wanted to see everything
看待任何事 from the fans point of view and say
换作我们还会买账吗？ how would we feel if we were buying this?
会觉得被抢劫吗？ Would we feel ripped off?
那段时候正好CD It was around the time that CDs
刚开始盛行 were really coming into their own
但要卖15英镑 而黑胶专辑只要6英镑 but they were ?15 and vinyl albums were probably about ?6 and
是大厂牌在鼓励你 it was major labels trying to encourage you
花大钱重买已经有的收藏 to re-buy your record collection for quite a lot of money
他们坚持发行黑胶 They insisted to release stuff on vinyl
因为CD对他们来说 because CDs for them
是一种资产阶级的形式 was like a bourgeois format
他们认为 and they thought that
人人都有唱机 everyone's got a record player
但如果发行CD but if we release stuff on CD
就不是每个受众 then not everyone within our audience base
都能够听了 might be able to play it
现在回头看挺稀奇 Which seems pretty curious in retrospect
但要知道 but it was you know
当时是80年代末90年代初 the late 80's and early 90's
第一张反对人头税的唱片 You know the first anti-poll tax record
是The Orchids发行的 was done by The Orchids
我们苏格兰比英国其他地方 Being Scottish we got the poll lax
更早碰上人头税 before the rest of the UK
所以我们对此挺不高兴的 So we kind of felt disgruntled about that too
可The Orchids完全被忽视了 But The Orchids were completely overlooked
觉得他们安静 小打小闹 because they were quiet and jangly
很有旋律 and tuneful and weren't what most people
和一般政治色彩乐队差太远 thought a political band should sound like
但这就是Sarah吧 But I guess that kind of sums Sarah up
大家觉得有政治色彩 A political label is supposed
就要像Crass to look like Crass
封面黑漆漆 It's supposed to be black sleeves
写满标语 with slogans all over them
我们从来不那样 and we were never like that
也没想过变那样 And we never wanted to be like that
不过可能那么做 but possibly we'd have got taken
会更被当回事吧 more seriously if we had been
fanzine是厂牌非常关键的一部分 The fanzines were a very key part of the label
是因为 I mean because really
那是我们的成长环境 it was the background we
和文化根源 came from and the culture we came from
没有fanzine也不会有厂牌 We'd never have started the label
所以我想给fanzine without it so I think giving the fanzines
一个编号 catalogue numbers
把它当唱片对待 as if they were records was
让大家获悉它们的重要性 an acknowledgment of their importance
但同时 那也是我们 in the scene but also I guess they were
辛劳的结果 our sort of contribution weren't they'!
精心编写的fanzine A really well written fanzine
应该和听7吋 should have the same effect on you
有同样效果 as listening in a 7' single
读10页fanzine You know you read 10 pages in a fanzine
和听一首3分钟流行曲 and it should make you feel the same
感觉应该一样 as listening to 3 minutes of a pop song
这就是我们的理念 that was our idea behind it
经营厂牌的人 It was really nice that the people
也参与到唱片设计中 who ran the label were also involved in
这种做法很好 making some of the art work as it were
让你觉得大家在一起做这件事 Kind of feels like we are all together doing this thing
我喜欢这个点子 I like the idea that is was this sort of
你好像得到了一个大礼包 package of things that you got
有单曲 有明信片 You got a single and a postcard and
上面附带一些文学创作 you'd get some sort of literature attached to that
买的是单曲 You'd buy this single and
包含的还有其他东西 there'd be this kind of stuff in it
揭示了人与人的关系 about this relationship
我们确实讨论过这种关系 I suppose we did discuss our relationship
事实上我还记得当时的情景 Yes actually I do remember doing that
一个厂牌会这么做 And it's just a really weird thing
真的很奇怪 for a record label to do
它既奇怪 That's a really odd
又很个人化 kind of personal thing to do
我们当时都很想写东西 I think we both really wanted to write
又都很忠于诚实 and we were both very interested in honesty and that it
这和厂牌的气质很搭 fitted with the record label
因为我认为许多创作歌手 because I think a lot of the songwriters were
都非常敞开心扉 you know really opening up their hearts
创作时对情感关系 and writing quite openly and honestly
非常直率、诚实 about their relationships
有时还很有文学性 And sometimes quite literaturely
可能这或多或少 I think again that maybe it was a bit of
有一些女权色彩 a sort of a feminist thing in it that
男人如果那样谈论性 you know in that way it's always been OK
是没有任何问题的 for men to talk about sex
但女人不行 but it hasn't really been OK for women to
我们也试图直面这个问题 And trying to confront that as well
说出心声 and pretty much say
女人也享受性 well women like it too
这非常关键 I think there was a hit of that in it
还记得一场很棒的演出 I can remember one wonderful gig where
我带了些fanzine去卖 I'd taken some fanzines up to sell
14 Iced Bears在台上演出 我站在角落 and just standing at the corner of this 14 Iced Bears gig
都不用挨个找人问 and not even having to go up to people
“Fanzine要吗？” and say“ Do you want to buy a fanzine?"
一直有人主动跑来问 Just people coming up to me the whole time
因为那时的音乐场景 because that is what the scene
就是这样 was like at the time
出现在14 Iced Bears演出的人 everybody in a 14 Iced Bears gig
都是那种 would be the sort of person
想买fanzine的人 who'd want to buy a fanzine
可能回去后 and would probably go off
他们也会有自己的fanzine and write their own fanzine as well
这样的演出 so that was just a wonderful sort of atmosphere
氛围太好了 to be a gigs like that
我们喝醉呼大 We'd just get drunk and like stoned
每场演出如此 virtually every gig you know
我们坐进面包车 we'd just go up in a van and
一路上就派对起来 We'd treat it like a party a bit
把情绪一直带到演出上 so we'd end up at gigs
其中一场 there was one gig we did where
贝司手的口水都滴到音箱设备上了 the bass player was dribbling over the amp and stuff
可大家不这样想 But people don't think of that
他们觉得你是Sarah的乐队 They think you're a Sarah band
应该很规矩 they think you're really clean cut
好像一点不喜欢摇滚乐 and like not into rock and roll at all
可能正因如此 But maybe that was the problem
我们才离开了厂牌 maybe that's why we left
可我们也很喜欢 But we more into that
自己在Sarah的那一面 sort of side still as well
The Poppyheads体现了时代特点 The Poppyheads summed up the spirit of the time really
突出的鼓点 嗡嗡的吉他 It was stand up drums, fuzzy guitars
其实不太会唱歌 People that couldn't really sing properly
但谁又在乎呢 but what the hell
在Sha La La发行薄膜唱片后 With the flexi-disc I did on Sha La La
有天邮递员上门 one day the post came through the door
给了我一个信封 and there was an envelope
上面盖着格拉斯哥的邮戳 with a Glasgow post mark on it
我打开 And when I opened it up there was a copy
是一张The Poppyheads的薄膜 of the Poppyheads flexi in it
我以为有人 and I thought it was somebody just
把错版退给我 returning a faulty copy
我发现里面有褐色的东西 And then I saw something brown in it
以为是巧克力 and thought oh somebody's sent me some chocolate
那时候 Because that's the sort of thing
的确有不少人这么做 that people used to do in those days
然后我闻到难闻的气味 And then I caught the whiff of the smell
从信封里散发出来 that was coming off it and realized
才意识到不是什么巧克力 it was something brown that wasn't chocolate
这些是我们 That shows you the sort of thing
不得不去承受的 that we did have to put up with
人们对我们的一些东西 People did have really extreme reactions
会有非常极端的反应 to some of the stuff we were putting out
他们的第一张单曲出来时 We got quite a lot of dissent
我们收到过许多差评 even by the time of the first single
人们写信给我们说 People were writing to us saying
我们不喜欢The Golden Dawn Oh we don't like The Golden Dawn
他们的音乐不是我们心中 That doesn't really fit with our idea of
厂牌该有的样子 of what the label you know ought to be like
现在还会有人问 And I think people still say to us
你们从来不喜欢The Golden Dawn吧？ you never really did like The Golden Dawn did you?
但事实上我们非常喜欢 And we both absolutely loved them
实话说 And you know to be honest
如果当时有更多 if there had been more bands
那种风格 in that kind of genre who'd come along
我们也同样喜欢的话 who we liked as much we would have put
我们会发更多那样的音乐 more of that kind of music out
我们真的都很喜欢 Because we both really like it
举例来说 I mean we were both huge
我们都是Jesus and Mary Chain的铁杆歌迷 Jesus and Mary Chain fans for instance
那种格拉斯哥式的嗡嗡流行音乐 so that sort of Glasgow fuzzy pop sound
真的很对我们胃口 is right up our street really
The Golden Dawn的音乐 You know it wasn't like the Golden Dawn
并不像Einstürzende Neubauten之类 were like Einstürzenden Neubauten or something
只有失真的吉他 It was just like distorted guitars
人们喜欢不了那种音乐 you know people really weren't having it
The Springfieds很美国 The Springfields are so American
而美国离我们太遥远了 and America was so far away
那时候 I think back then
我们还没有互联网 You know before we all had the internet
国际机票也没有那么便宜 and before flights got stupidly cheap
所以当美国的小小一角 So for this little slice of America
出现在门前的台阶上 for that to kind of roll up on your doorstep
来到布里斯托的潮湿地下室公寓 in a rainy basement flat in Bristol
对我们来说就好像 It was like something from
另一个世界来的东西 another world in many ways
我们不得不 And we had to ring them
去街上找电话亭给他们打电话 from the phone box on Blackboy Hill
我还记得 I do remember that
一通打到芝加哥的国际长途 That was an international call to Chicago
大概晚上八点的样子 made at about 8 o'clock at night
从电话亭 from a phone box
还是投币的 With coins
打到芝加哥某个街区 Ringing this bloke in Chicago
电话里对方还讲得很慢 who spoke really slowly I remember
他的确讲很慢 He does speak very slowly
快点！快点！ Speed up! Speed up!
赶紧再投10便士 10P's going in
后来很快我们就 So I think we must have got the phone
给自己安了电话 fairly soon after that
事情有点搞大了 I think it did become a bit ridiculous
没错 actually yeah
我们做了一盘小样寄给Sarah We made a demo and we sent it to Sarah
同时也寄给了Cherry Red We also sent it to Cherry Red
还有Rough Trade和Factory Rough Trade and Factory
我们当时可真有勇气 I love the idea that we had the nerve
敢把小样寄给Factory to send it to Factory
他们一定笑死了 they must have laughed
Sarah真的回复了 And Sarah actually got back to us
只有这个厂牌回了 They were the only record label
他们说 不错 that got back to us and said yeah
The Field Mice
他们大概是 They're probably
我们最难 the hardest band it is for us
不带感情描述的乐队 to be unemotional about I think
我们差不多见证了他们 We sort of saw them go from
从只发过一盘小小的磁带 you know a little tape with the world's
附有全世界最甜蜜的手写信 sort of sweetest hand written letter
歌都是在卧室录的 songs recorded in the bedroom
几乎称不上乐队的乐队 you know band that didn't really exist
逐渐发展到 Through to
我觉得差不多是 I mean I guess a band who were
所能达到的巅峰 really on the cusp of something
赢得了许多赞誉 Who had quite a lot of acclaim
演了一些相当大型的演出 and you know played some quite big gigs
真的很受欢迎 and were really very popular so
当你处于这整个历程中时 You know to have been part of that journey
很难不为之动容 doesn't really leave you untouched
我和Bobby是同学 I was at school with Bobby
是同所高中的 We were at high school together
我们大约15岁就认识了 so we knew each other from when we were about 15
如果要起个名字 If you wanted to have a title
我认为最合适The Field Mice合集 a good title for a Field Mice
的名字应该是 compilation record would be
《Growing Up In Public》 'Growing Up In Public' I think
单曲《Emma's House》出来前 We didn't know what we were doing
我们都不知道自己在做什么 Before Emma's House came out
才组建了三四个月 we'd only been playing for about 3 months 4 months
真的不算太久 You know, not a long time
要知道在那个年纪 You know I think you change quite a lot
你会改变许多 at that age and you maybe change
甚至一天里都会反复 daily back and forth
他们的音乐正反映了这点 And I think their music almost reflects that
前一分钟可能还是乡村 I mean one minute they are country
下一分钟就成了舞曲 the next they're sort of dance
接着又回到抒情小调路线 the next they're back to writing ballads
我认为这种多样性 And I think the diversity of it is
实话说是非常惊人的 really just phenomenal to be honest
当时有许多 There were a lot of different sounds
不同的音乐风格并存 going around at that time you know
Grunge刚刚兴起 It was the start I suppose of grunge
也有The Stone Roses那样的乐队 but then there were also bands like the Stone Roses
New Order创作了一些非常棒的舞曲 New Order were there making great dance music
存在许多不同的影响 There were a lot of different influences
我们从没想过 around and we were never thinking
一定不能听某些音乐 we mustn't listen to that
我们有过一些演出 但大多数时候 We played dates but a lot of the time
只有我们两个人 感觉非常 when it was just the two of us it was very
真的不太…… it wasn't very much
不太有趣 it wasn't fun
我们走下台的时候 You know we never came off stage thinking
从没有非常摇滚的感觉 yeah rock and roll you know!
觉得刚刚演得很好 Or that was fantastic
通常都是胆战心惊地上台 No we generally went on stage very scared
然后胆战心惊地下台 and got off stage very scared
Harvey（Williams）加入以后 When Harvey joined
我们加了一把吉他 we had another guitar
有时还有键盘 and sometimes a keyboard part
让我们的音乐多了点层次 which gave us a bit more sound
Harvey来了以后 So once Harvey came in
演出比以前享受得多 对我而言 it became more enjoyable for me
那种感觉很妙 It was fantastic
真的是 Yeah it was really,
感觉加入了一支真正的乐队 you know it was like being in a proper band
后来有了Mark打鼓 And certainly when we then got
Anne Mari也加入以后 Mark in the drummer and Anne Mari
感觉全员都到齐了 it was like you know a full proper band
我们在图卢兹演了一场 We played a gig in Toulouse
是开车去的 and we were driving to this place
路过一大片向日葵 and it was through fields and fields
景色非常美丽 of sunflowers and it was just gorgeous
绝对壮观 Absolutely gorgeous but it was
但前不着村后不着店 in the middle of nowhere
你开始想 and you think oh this is going to be
接下来的某场演出 one of those gigs were there's
可能台下会只有12个人 like 12 people at the front and you are
就这样大眼瞪小眼地演出 looking into their eyes playing
场面一定会非常尴尬 and it's all a bit awkward
但结果完全出乎意料 And it was just amazing
我都不知道这些人从哪里来的 I don't know where these people came from
但是场地满了 but it was packed
然后人群突然就mosh了起来 And suddenly there was this French mosh pit
他们还知道 and they all knew every word
每首歌的每句歌词 to every song and it was
太不可思议了 that was fantastic
你会想 You just think
这些人到底是从哪来的？ where did everybody come from?
根本上来说 You know fundamentally
这些歌都出自Bobby之手 the songs were built from Bobby's creations
没有任何即兴成分 There was no jamming or anything like that
Bobby会对你说 Bobby would right say here's
这是我写的一首歌 a song that I've written
和弦已经完成了 The chords were done
我肯定在他脑子里 the arrangement was pretty much done
整个编曲也差不多搞完了 in his head I'm sure
音乐歌词也都就绪 the music, the words were always ready
你知道的 Bobby就是一个天才 Yeah it's you know, Bobby is the talent
我真心觉得Robert Wratten I genuinely think Robert Wratten
是非常伟大的英国创作人之一 is one of you know the great English songwriters
你会感觉自己好像找到了 You feel like you've got this almost portal
通往他的内心、生活 into his world and his life
和情感世界的入口 and his emotions
我想这就是为什么 So I think that's one of the things
他们如此受欢迎的原因之一 that made them so popular with people
他不惧怕表露 I think that real sort of emotional fragility as well
自己的那种情感脆弱 that he wasn't afraid to display
从那些歌声和歌词里 Something comes across through those vocals
传递出的东西 and through those lyrics
是极为个人的 that seems incredibly personal
超出了大多数其他乐队 You know like more personal than
允许自我暴露情感的底线 than most bands ever allow themselves to be
这和当时其他许多人的做法 Really going against the grain of a lot of the stuff
是截然不同的 that was around at the time
那是Nirvana和Oasis This was a time when
正当红的时期 Nirvana and Oasis were big
大家都是一副无所谓的样子 And the mood was very much whatever
然而出现了这样一个乐队 you know whereas here came along a band
和这样一个厂牌 and a label
告诉我说 that for me was saying
追求真理是值得的 that it's worth striving after truth
追求美感是值得的 it's worth striving after beauty
和他们的合作有时会非常情绪化 Working with them was sometimes quite emotional
他们想要花时间 I mean really they wanted to spend time
在录音棚里捣鼓尝试 in the studio and experiment
而我们则要他们写歌 And we wanted them to write songs
要非常明确想做什么 be very sure about what they wanted to do
等进棚时 and then go into the studio
已经计划好 having planned out
接下来要怎么做 what they were going to do
尽可能少花钱 Spending the minimum amount of money possible
得到最好的结果 to come out with the maximum result possible
因为我们才是写支票的人 because we were writing the cheque
这一点总和乐队的想法有冲突 I mean that's always a conflict with bands
但是 but
对我们而言 我们并不想 I mean for us we didn't really want to put
或者说不愿意 or we weren't willing to put
赔上整个厂牌 the whole label on the line
也许我们本可以允许 Which I think we could have conceivably
一支乐队这样折腾 done for a band to experiment
但我们不可能真这么做 That wasn't really a possibility for us
你就看看 and you know you see obviously
其他这么做的厂牌 other labels who have done that
最终一无所有 and have lost the label
再怎么喜欢他们 You know much as we like them
也不可能给他们空白支票去挥霍 it was never going to be a blank cheque
Sarah一直处于 I mean it was run
非常紧张的运营状态 on such a shoe string Sarah
特别是早期的时候 Certainly in the early days
还记得那时我常常 I mean I can remember I used to go out
每天早上去买便宜面包 every morning to get the cheap bread
面包店总有 Because every day they would have
前一天剩下的 the loaves from the day before
放了超过一天的 they were a day old therefore
会大甩卖 they would sell them off cheap
所以我就每天早上 So I would just go down
去买那些面包 and do that every morning
每次去现场 And you know actually going to gigs
卖黑胶和其他东西 to sell vinyl and stuff like that
也都搭便车 We would hitch
我们会站在M32公路边 或去M5 We'd stand by the M32 or go out to the M5
然后搭便车去我们要去的演出 and hitch to whichever gig we were going to
有次The Field Mice在Rawenstall演 When the Field Mice played Rawenstall
那是曼彻斯特北面 which is a small village
一个很小的镇子 just north of Manchester
最后我们是在一个山坡上 and we ended up sleeping on a hillside
裹着睡袋过的夜 in a sleeping bag overnight
前一天才搭便车到了那里 having hitched up the day before
你会很想知道究竟多少其他厂牌 and you do wonder how many other
也会这么做 record labels would do this
我们总是坚持用最省钱的方法 I mean it was always about the cheapest way
去完成一件事 to do things so if it look
即使要多花五个小时 an extra 5 hours to do it that way
我们还是会采取最便宜的方式 we would still do it the cheapest way
我想有件事许多人 I think one thing that not a lot of people
永远不会真正理解 never really understood was how much
就是运营厂牌 really boring drudge work
包含了多少极乏味的工作 running a label is
就我而言 I mean in my case a lot of what
我大部分时间 I spent my time doing was the actual
都在做艺术设计的事 art work side of things
因为那个年代 Which again because of the era this was
还没什么电脑辅助 before computer aided design all that
基本靠自己拓印 It was mostly rubbing down Letraset
我们没有任何排版 because we didn't use any typesetting
如果想要排版 If you wanted typesetting in those days
你需要把文字 you had to send your text away
送到专业排版工那里 to a professional typesetters
排一段字 Who would charge you something like
就要收大概40英镑 ?40 for a paragraph of text
相比起来现在简直太先进了 It does seem extraordinary now that
你可以用数码相机 you can you know digital cameras
不用担心如何影印照片 you don't have to worry about screening photos
排版在电脑上自动完成 and typesetting is just automatic on the computer so
那段时间真是够苦逼的 No they were dark days
Clare和Matt总是说 Clare and Matt always told me that
我是唯一一个 I was the only person who bought
买了St Christopher T恤的人 a St Christopher t-shirt
这很难令人相信 I find that really hard to believe
因为我觉得他们太棒了 because I thought they were amazing
但我确实不记得别人 but I don't ever remember actually them
把他们视作最爱的Sarah乐队 ever being anyone's favourite Sarah Records band
我觉得他们听起来像The Walker Brothers To me they sounded like the Walker Brothers
所以很厉害 I thought they were great
他们就是那种有人爱有人恨的乐队 They were a band who really seemed to divide people
他们非常…… I think they were quite
那么独一无二 well they are really quite unique
有一些很耀眼的色彩 I think there is something quite epic about them
许多乐队都想 A lot of bands have tried
听起来像Brighter to sound like Brighter
因为Brighter本质上说 Because the Brighter sound is essentially
我相信Keris不会介意 I'm sure Keris won't mind me saying it
是非常简单的音乐 it's a very simple sound
简单到听上去 And it sounds like it should be the
再容易做不过了 easiest sound in the world to do
但其实并不是这样 But it isn't
简单的东西总是这样的 as is often the way with very simple things
能用简单的音乐 It's actually the most difficult thing
做出不凡的感觉 in the world to have such a simple sound
这其实是全世界最难的事 and make it distinctive at the same time
D和弦 D chord
D和弦非常重要 D chord was very important
这是一个重大的发现 That was a remarkable discovery
后来我才意识到 when I realized that you just needed
只要学会大约4个和弦 to learn about four chords and then
然后按一个D和弦的手势 just pluck a D shape over the top
这就是Brighter了 and that was Brighter
这种好像不断重复 Something about the sort of repetition and the
的声音 and the sound and the
就好像包裹了你 it just sort of envelops you
我觉得听Brighter I think listening in Brighter is a bit like
有点像回到子宫 being hack in the womb or something
安全又舒适 It's very safe and comfortable
美好又温暖 and nice and warm
我们被视作 We were sort of seen to be a hand who were
抒发情感、情绪的乐队 kind of all about emotions and moods
而不是传统的流行乐队 but not really a conventional pop band
小样里其实 Which actually wasn't something
并没体现出来 that was portrayed by the demos
因为在小样里 Because on the demos
我放了许许多多歌 which I sent loads and loads of songs
给到Matt和Clare to Matt and Clare originally
他们有太多选择 you know they had a lot to choose from
其中很多听上去非常流行 A lot of those songs were very very poppy
最终Matt和Clare挑选 The ones that Matt and Clare always
让我们去录的歌 selected for us to record
我认为都非常器乐化 I mean I think they were quite instrumental in constructing
这一点逐渐形成了 I suppose what was the
Brighter标志性的声音 public image of Brighter
他们做那张专辑的时候 When they did their album we were
我们和他们一起在录音棚 in the studio with them kind of
算是联合制作吧 I guess kind of co-producing
或许我们是有点强势了 so we possibly rather imposed ourselves I suppose
最后事情也不太顺利 And it didn't actually go terribly well
我想最终我们录了 I think we ended up recording that record
两遍半的样子 two and a half times
我记得很清楚 You know I've got very vivid memories
那时候Matt坐在 of that time of Matt sort of sitting
角落的椅子上 in a chair in the corner with his
下巴搁在蜷缩的膝盖上 knees lucked under his chin
头埋在套衫里 with a pullover pulled over his head
Clare则咬着嘴唇说 And Clare biting her lip and saying
“我不喜欢贝斯 音量小一些” "I don't like bass turn the bass down"
但同时我们也挺开心的 But we had fun at the same time I think?
我们当时都挺独裁的 I think we were quite dictatorial
有时候乐队 I think sometimes bands aren't
没法判断自己的哪首歌最好 the best judge of what their best songs are
所以我们来挑的时候 so I think there's some defense for us
乐队是有些抵触的 in doing that
我们就像是 We were kind of you know
非常严格的编辑 really strict editors I suppose
我挺同情他们的 So I do have some sympathy with them but
可厂牌毕竟是我们的呢 it was our record label
我记得读过80年代一篇 I remember reading one review from the 80's
有关The Wake的评论说 of The Wake and it said something like
“The Wake就像变得非常非常好的New Order” "The Wake are like if New Order got really, really good"
我一直很同意这句话 I've always agreed with that
我一直认为The Wake I've always thought that The Wake
就是New Order试图成为 are kind of what New Order were trying to be
却没能成为的那种乐队 and kind of fell short of it
The Wake被Sarah签下时 When The Wake signed to Sarah
我们见到了他们 and we got to meet them it was just like
哦 上帝 Oh my God you know
那是Caesar!（*乐队吉他手Gerard "Caesar" McInulty）
The Wake不同寻常 The Wake are unusual because
在Sarah之前就小有成就 they had a career before Sarah
是从Factory跳槽过来的 they came from Factory Records
我们是通过The Orchids It was actually through The Orchids
询问The Wake是否想加入 that we acquired The Wake if you like
因为The Wake主唱Caesar because Caesar from the Wake
给Orchids制作了第一张单曲 had produced the first Orchids single
我们觉得应该解释清楚 We sort of fell we had to explain to him
我们和Factory不一样 that we weren't like Factory Records
以防他抱有完全错误的想法 just in case he'd got completely the wrong idea
以为又进了一个类似Factory的厂牌 and thought he was moving from Factory in a similar label
The Wake在Sarah出的第一张专辑 The Wake's LP they put out on Sarah
简直太无与伦比了 is fantastic
这又是个很好的例子 And it's another great example of why
证明Sarah的乐队 I don't think there is such a thing
并非千人一面 as a Sarah band
如果有人说 You know if anybody said
The Wake就是支Sarah乐队 the Wake are a Sarah band
带噪音的童真流行Sarah乐队 a jingle jangle, twee pop Sarah band
那简直太愚蠢了 it's just stupidity
完全不是那样 They're not
他们就是很棒 they are amazing
Action Painting! 来自布莱顿 Action Painting! were a great kind of
一支无所顾忌的乐队 real kind of fuck you band from Brighton
他们喜欢各式各样的 who loved all the kind of
古怪又可爱的音乐 anorak, cutie kind of music
同时又有真正的态度 but had a real attitude to go alongside it
当时英国乐坛 At the time in Britain there was
充斥着许多钉鞋音乐 an awful lot of shoegaze stuff
还有acid house 仿佛无数个爱的夏天 There was hangover from the so called
给人带来的宿醉 umpteenth summer of love, acid house
还有The Orb那样的音乐 There was stuff like The Orb
每个人都沉迷其中 everyone was loved up
完全不管不顾 didn't give a toss
没有真正的激情 You know there was no passion
许多人偏爱更抒情的 A lot of the people who liked the more
所以他们不喜欢The Golden Dawn gentle stuff really didn't like
也不喜欢Action Painting! and then they didn't like Action Painting!
他们把那些乐队 And then they saw all of those things
都视为异类 as aberrations or anomalies
事实上如果你 whereas actually if you
把几个乐队放一起 put them all together
再加上后来的Boyracer and then Boyracer later
就能发现贯穿整个厂牌的一个主题 you've actually got a theme that runs
就是想要更噪音一些的流行乐 through the whole label of the noisier pop
多一些糊糊的流行乐 and the more sort of fuzz pop
还有朋克流行 Punky pop stuff
你无法将它们排除在外 我不觉得你能这么做 You can't discount all of that I don't think
签下Heavenly时 I was really excited
我非常兴奋 when we signed Heavenly
我是Talulah Gosh的狂热歌迷 because I'd been a big Talulah Gosh fan
乐队大部分成员 the band that most of them
都在那里呆过 were in before Heavenly
Talulah Gosh第一次出现时 Talulah Gosh were like
就好像是 just about the best pop band in the world
全世界最好的流行乐队 when they first appeared
在Talulah Gosh的时候 我们都会写歌 So in Talulah Gosh we all wrote songs
乐队里还是相当民主的 and it was fairly democratic and I found
我渐渐发现我不喜欢 I didn't like singing the lyrics
唱别人写的歌词 that other people had written
所以在Heavenly的时候 我就说 And therefore in Heavenly said
乐队要按照 OK this is going to be the way
我想要的方式去做 I want it to be
我当时的反应是 你说什么？ Because I was like what?
为什么要解散Talulah Gosh？ Why did Talulah Gosh break up?
为什么要从头来过？ Why did you have to start over?
她就回答 She was like
这样下去行不通 oh it just wasn't working out and
她说当她在乐队里的时候 she said that when she's in the band
必须成为一名独裁者 she has to be the dictator
如果事情没法那样进行 and if it can't work that way then
就得从头来过 they just had to start over
所以他们就那么做了 And so they did
但是你要知道 But you know
她是一个仁慈的独裁者 She's a benevolent dictator
所以我想这样可能是公平的 Yeah so I think it was probably fair
至少我希望仁慈待人 At least I hope it was benevolent
但可能确实挺独裁的 but it probably was dictatorship
在Sarah厂牌里 You know it was just so great
有这样一个由女性主导的乐队 to have a band on Sarah where
简直太好了 the band was driven by the woman
女性在台前唱歌 You know it was women singing
在幕后写词 it was women writing the songs
一切从女性角度出发 Everything from the female perspective
Talulah Gosh就好像是一个完美的 Talulah Gosh were like this perfect
流行朋克的融合体 sort of pop punk crossover
非常完美 Just perfect
每个方面都绝对完美 absolutely perfect in every way
到了Heavenly他们则变得 And then with Heavenly what they did is
稍稍又流行了一些 they just moved slightly more pop
这样就更加完美了 And it was even more perfect
我是说这怎么可能？ I mean how can that possibly be?
怎么可能比完美更上一层？ How can you get more perfect than perfect?
最初几张专辑中 For the first couple of albums
歌里唱的都差不多都是男孩遇上女孩 the songs were kind of boy meets girl
比较快乐 kind of quite happy
然后Riot Grrrl运动在美国兴起 Then riot girl came along in America
这股风潮席卷美国的时候 and we were actually in America when it was
我们恰好在那里 just kind of starting to get really big
我们认识所有参与其中的人 And we knew all the people involved because
都是之前通过K Records认识的 they were people we knew via K Records
我当时真的很受启发 And I was really inspired by it
我最喜欢的歌曲 I probably like C is the Heavenly Option
是那首“C is the Heavenly Option” as a song the best
Calvin的人声让我很自豪 And I was incredibly proud of Calvin's
他的声音太棒了 vocals on it which are just great
还记得第一次把磁带 I remember when we first put the tape
放到磁带机里 into the tape machine because we did it
因为我们是异地录音的 Transatlantically
我们都开怀大笑起来 we were just all falling about laughing
因为听起来实在太棒了 because it was so great
我是男性 The fact that I was male
Clare是女性的事实 and Clare was female was
显然是厂牌的一个重要因素 was clearly a major factor in the label
因为在当时 because that was incredibly
这非常罕见 rare at the time
作为一个才19岁的女性 To have Clare there, running the label
Clare运营着厂牌 as a nineteen year old female, was you know
这非常鼓舞人心 was absolutely inspirational
从我的观点来看 from my point of view
这件事对Clare来说还挺挣扎的 You know I think for Clare it was quite a struggle
如果有文章写运营厂牌的 She would get very annoyed quite rightly
是Matt Haynes和他女朋友Clare if an article was essentially in terms of
她马上会很生气 Matt Haynes and his girlfriend Clare running the label
或者有人打电话来 Or when people would ring up
如果是她接的 and clearly assume that if she answered
对方直接假设她是秘书那类角色 the phone she was some sort of secretary
等她把电话转给我 and wait to be passed over to me
记得有次我和一个法国…… I remember having a big row with a French
我想应该是一个法国厂牌 I think it was a French record label
想获得我们的许可 who were licensing our stuff
他们要给一些引进音乐 who had taken out a big advert
做个很大的广告 for a bunch of the stuff they licensed
上面基本就是个没穿上衣的女性 with basically a topless woman on it
我们在电话里当场 And us being right on the phone to them
就抱怨 他们回应说 to complain and them saying well
“我不知道你有什么问题 "I don't know what your problem is
没人抱怨过这个” no one else has complained"
我们说 这真的非常严重 And us going well it's a real issue for us
你不能这样做 and you can't do this
一旦涉及到政治 Going back to the politics
就会很敏感 and it being subtle I mean
有件事我们从没做过 one thing we never did is put
就是在封套上用女性照片 pictures of women on record sleeves
因为那是一种赤裸裸的 Because that's such an obvious
营销手段 marketing device and particularly
在我们身处的独立乐界 sadly in the sort of indie music
这点尤其令人感到悲哀 we were involved with
你总能看到封面上 You'd always get record sleeves with
印着60年代美女 60's chicks on or Audrey Hepburn
或者奥黛丽·赫本 on the front
全都是令人厌倦的 All these sort of very tired
直白图像 and obvious images
所以从创立之初 And we just made a rule right from
我们就定下原则 the start that we would never have
封套上永远不出现女性 a woman on a record sleeve
从未刻意 But you know we never made a
就是这样做了 big thing deal of it, it's just what we did
我最喜欢他们的一点是 What I like most about them was their
对手写信的迷恋 obsession with hand written letters
我写信给Clare And I wrote to Clare
抱怨我没有收到 complaining that I wasn't
明信片和其他 getting the postcards and things
发给邮寄名单的东西 they would send out to the mailing list
我女朋友在名单上 And my girlfriend at the time was
我说我好像没在 So I said I don't seem to be
你们这个莫名其妙的名单上 on your erratic mailing list
她回信了 and she wrote me this
一个厂牌运营者 And even this is ridiculous that someone
洋洋洒洒回复了那么多 who is running a record label even bothers
让人难以置信 to write that much stuff
她说 我们的名单没有莫名其妙 And it says "it's not erratic
全是给我们写过信的人 just full of people who write us letters
而你并没有 and you don't!“
附三个感叹号和下划线 Triple exclamation marked, underline
这是一个会因为 This is a record label that's actually
你买了唱片但不写信给他们 angry when the people who buy their records
而生气的厂牌 don't write to them
Matt总写信给我 Matt wrote to me all the time
我一直刺激他写 You know I was provoking him to writing me
我不停地 you know because I was continually
给他寄盖好戳写好地址的信封 sending him stamped addressed envelopes
诸如此类 and all of this kind of thing
但他好像乐此不疲 But he seemed perfectly happy
我不知道 you know I don't know
我真不太理解 I don't really know
他到底什么生活状态 how he got on with his life
因为我敢肯定我不是唯一 Because I'm sure I wasn't the only person
他那样回信的人 he was writing back to in that way
所以他一定每天在 So he must have spent all day
埋头写信给各种 writing letters to kind of people
他不认识的人 he didn't know
我们也想不出 It never occurred to us at the time
还有什么可做 to do anything else
每张唱片出来 So every record that went out
我们会在里面写个小便笺 we would put a little note in
很明显人们喜欢这样 And people clearly liked this but
我不能理解 I just can't understand the labels
为什么有人从来不这么做 that didn't do that
纯粹从礼貌角度 Just on a pure courtesy level
也是很好的方式 it just seems a nice thing to do
你可能会感觉 You know you have a sense
一些厂牌 with some record labels that they are
非常看不起普通乐迷 very much looking down on the little people
那些不在嘉宾名单上的人 who aren't on the guest list
对我来说那是在 You know that seems to me to be
鄙夷普通人 despising normal people and the way they
以及大多数人的生活方式 you know most of us live our lives
所以我们从不会 So we were never looking to sort of
让自己脱离群众 separate ourselves off I don't think
偶尔会有人 We'd occasionally get people sort of
拜访我们 coming to visit us because in the
因为起初我们把住址 early days we had our address
印在唱片封面上 on the record sleeves
那可能是个错误 which was probably a mistake
有时很难 Just sometimes it was hard
完成手头工作 to get the work done because
因为有人会敲你家门 people would rock up on your doorstep
想要参观布里斯托 and want a tour of Bristol and
有时来访者人很好 sometimes they were absolutely great
你和他们一见如故 and you'd hit it off with them
度过开心一天 and have a wonderful day
但有时就不太方便 Or sometimes it was a little inconvenient
如果你正忙着的话 if you were trying to do something
他们说过 They did tell me
或许我不该说的 and I probably shouldn't admit this
但他们确实和我说过 But they did tell me that sometimes
有时他们会躲在沙发背后 they would hide behind the sofa
因为真的 because they just
有太多工作要做 they had too much to do and they couldn't
没法分出半小时 afford half an hour to have a cup of tea
和从某处 with an indie fan from somewhere
不请自来的 that had kind of basically turned up
独立乐迷一起喝杯茶 at their front door unannounced
所以他们常常会选择躲起来 So they used to hide
他们肯定不想 I'm sure they wouldn't like
让大家知道这事 people to know that
The Sweetest Ache来自南威尔士 The Sweetest Ache were from South Wales
斯旺西 from Swansea
也是我们厂牌唯二的威尔士乐队之一 One of our two Welsh bands
还记得他们录 I remember the recording session for
首单《Tell Me How I Feels》时的情形 the first single Tell Me How I Feels
特别是当时 in particular which we did
他们选了通宵录音 at an overnight session
我想之所以这样 And I think they decided to book the
是因为那个时段比较便宜 overnight session because it was cheaper
刚开始没多久 And I think everybody by the time
大家就后悔了 we'd started was regretting it
录音还在进行 And everybody was just falling asleep
每个人都已昏昏欲睡 as the whole thing was going on
结果听起来很棒 And it just sounds wonderful
有种非常温暖 it just has this wonderful warm
带点困乏的效果 slightly sleepy sound to it
主要是因为 but I think largely that was because
是在半夜录的 it was recorded in the middle of the night
他们有种故作不配合的气质 They had a slightly bloody minded quality
就和The Field Mice一样 in the same way that The Field Mice did
为宣传专辑巡演时 And I remember they went on tour to promote the album
在布里斯托的 and the gig in Bristol they did
Fleece & Firkin有一场演出 at the Fleece & Firkin
他们坚持要坐在凳子上 they insisted on sitting on stools
弹吉他 to play their guitars and not playing
并且不演任何专辑曲目 any of the songs off the album
当时我们很恼火 At the time it was really annoying
但回过头看 或许可以说 but in retrospect you could probably say
他们只是在 it was just them being determined
坚持自我 to get their own way
我认为我们的乐队来自 I think the fact that our bands
世界各地 came from all over was
更多是因为机缘巧合 more by chance and was more
还有我们自己并不玩乐队 part of the fact that we weren't in bands
不属于任何圈子 ourselves and weren't part of a music scene
我想我们两个一直 I think we've both always kind of been
更乐于写信和人交流 happier communicating by writing people
而不是经常面对面 letters than sort of face to face in
在酒吧 俱乐部那类场所 pubs or clubs or something quite often
和Sarah扯上关系 Well the connection with Sarah initially
刚开始是因为乐队 happened by the band
在澳洲发了一张7吋EP Putting out a 7" EP in Australia
John Peel播放了这张EP的B面 John Peel actually started playing the b-side
所以最开始 So it was initially through
是因为John Peel的青睐 John Peel's support that Sarah Records
才让Sarah注意到我们 noticed the band and then
然后他们联系乐队 approached the band with the view of
打算在英国发行它们 putting out the records in the UK
Even As We Speak I mean Even As We Speak
是又一个乐队 are another of those hands
你会觉得 that you just think
绝对应该成为大牌 should have been absolutely huge
他们特别直接 because it is just absolutely
创作套路经典 straightforward, classic songwriting
他们在英国呆了整整一年 They spent a whole year over here
也来演过好几次 and came over a couple of times
他们以前住悉尼 They were based in Sydney
在这里各种巡演 演出 And you know toured, gigged
录了一个Peel Session did a Peel session
非常努力非常拼 tried really hard to make a go of it
“Falling Down The Stairs”有一阵 Falling Down The Stairs was getting played
Radio 1天天播 every day on Radio 1 for a while
我们在英国时 while we were there
坐在面包车里 We would be driving around
电台冒出了我们的歌 in the van and we'd go
“听，又放了” "Well there it is again"
这其实 You know which was kind of an
对我们来说也挺兴奋 exciting thing for us too
因为听Radio 1的人很多 because Radio 1 had a big listenership
我们确实意识到 We did realize at that time that if we
如果想走得更远 wanted to go further we would
我们要转投更大的厂牌 need to move to a bigger label
和Sarah一起 We couldn't have gone
没法走得更远了 any further with Sarah
这显而易见 I think that was pretty clear
所以我们和当时 So we actually did do a round of the
伦敦几家大厂牌都谈过 major record labels in London at that time
我们从大厂牌那里 You know we got positive feedback
获得了不错的反馈 from the major labels
但他们的附加要求就是 The caveat for them was that we needed to
我们必须永久搬来英国 move to the UK permanently
必须同意住在英国 and we needed to agree to live in the UK
因为种种原因 For a whole range of reasons for us
做到这点非常困难 that was very difficult to do
很关键的就是主唱Mary Not the least which was Mary our singer
无法把她儿子留在澳洲 had left behind her son in Australia
否则就要骨肉分离了 So she was separated from her own son
对任何当爸妈的人来说 And for anyone that's been a parent
我现在也是一个父亲 I'm a parent now
要分离那么久 that's a pretty serious proposition
这事非常严肃 to be separated for that long
就因为这一系列个人原因 So there was a range of personal reasons
我们很难移居到英国 that made it difficult for us to relocate
我们都喜欢布里斯托 We both liked Bristol
很想住在这里 we wanted to live here
在这里生活 we wanted to be here
这个城市那么美轮美奂 And it's an absolutely fantastic beautiful city
却总感觉有些 that always seemed to be a bit
被低估 sort of under appreciated
我们以前常 I think we always used to have
这样评判英格兰旅游指南 this sort of way of judging travel guides
就是比较描述巴斯和 on England by how many pages were on
布里斯托各有几页 Bristol compared with Bath
如果巴斯比布里斯托多 and if they had more on Bath than Bristol
这本就不用看了 then you weren't very interested in the book
有太多值得一去的 Because there's so much here
只不过不为人所知 and it just wasn't really
所以我们真想 known so we really went
全力歌颂这座城市 out of our way to celebrate it
所有标签 And you know putting pictures
都用布里斯托的照片 of Bristol on all the, all the labels
合集都以布里斯托地名命名 all the compilations are named after places in Bristol
或者用开往那里的巴士来编号 or numbered after the buses that went there
因为我们也很热爱 because we were celebrating
公共交通 public transport quite often as well
到了Sarah 50 For Sarah 50
我们想来点特别的 we wanted to do something special
我们做了一个Sarah桌游 So we made a Sarah board game
名叫Saropoly which we called Saropoly which is
游戏基于布里斯托城市地图 based on a map of Bristol and based on
你要在那里经营一个 running a small independent
小型独立厂牌 record label in Bristol
就是尝试下我们的生活 so basically you get to live our lives
地图特意设计成折叠的 We deliberately did it so it all folds up
可以放进7吋的塑料袋 into a 7" plastic bag so that it
所以收纳起来时 looked like a 7" single
就像一张7吋 when it was actually in the rack
我至今都很得意 I'm still immensely proud of it
它也从许多方面 and it does sort of sum up I think
总结了这个厂牌 the label in many ways
还有许多音乐以外的东西 that there was much more to it than just music
而且总是充满乐趣 And it was always supposed to be fun
不是一本正经讲政治 and not just po-faced politics
我觉得Saropoly And I like to think that the whole
体现出的流行审美观 pop aesthetic thing runs through
和那些7吋 Saropoly as much as it does
所要表达的是一样的 through the 7" singles
Secret Shine是我们签下的第二支本地乐队 Secret Shine were our second Bristol band
对我们来说 And it was, well it was so nice to for us
终于签下布里斯托本土乐队 to eventually, as it kind of fell like
非常开心 get Bristol bands because
因为我们是非常布里斯托的厂牌 we were such a Bristol label
他们是一支 So they were a band who I think
首张单曲和后来的音乐之间 went through quite a leap
跨度比较大的乐队 between their first single and their later material
他们的第一张单曲 I mean their first single was very much
非常原声 非常美丽 acoustic, quite pretty
我记得我们只是 From my memory we just kind of created
弄了盘样带 that demo because we
当时我们在尝试 were trying to work out
学会用四轨录音机 how to use the four track
这话说得有点道理 There's probably some truth in that yeah
第一张单曲之后 After the first single
我们突然噪了起来 we suddenly went all heavy
几乎就是 and then it was almost like
尽管Sarah也出过 Even though there were other
其他噪的唱片 heavy records on Sarah
但和我们做的东西 nothing was quite like what
都不太一样 we were doing I don't think
当时我们遇到的问题 I think we had a problem then in that
是人们搞不清楚 people didn't know whether
我们到底是 we were like
一支Sarah乐队 还是盯鞋乐队 a sort of Sarah band or a shoegaze band
大家觉得有点困惑 And they got a bit confused
我们并没有任何身份危机 I don't think we had an identity crisis but
但其他人好像困惑于 other people seemed to get confused about
我们到底做的是什么样的音乐 what it was that we were trying to do
我们并没有太多 I mean the reason we didn't have more kinda
噪的乐队 是因为 noisy hands is because you've got a lot
许多乐队有特色 of bands that have got the sound
却还没过硬的歌 but haven't really got the songs
我们两者兼需 So you need both
所以就把不少乐队排除在外了 and that narrows it down a bit but
他们确实一直遭忽视 I mean they do get dismissed as sort of
被当作My Bloody Valentine的山寨 My Bloody Valentine copyists and things
但我其实觉得他们的歌更棒 But I just think their songs are better
我情愿听Secret Shine的专辑 and I'm much rather listen to a Secret Shine album
而不是My Bloody Valentine than a My Bloody Valentine album
因为无论编曲、歌词 Just because the tunes, the lyrics
还是歌曲整体都更强 the songs are just stronger basically
他们就是比MBV好 They're a better band
美妙至极 Fantastic
我认为Blueboy是 I think Blueboy were the
厂牌下最好的乐队 best band on the label
我认为他们非常惊艳 I thought they were stunning
两张专辑都很棒 Their two LPs are just great
简直太棒了 Absolutely great
他们是那种 Again they are one of those bands that
距离专辑发行 the further in time you get from
越是久远 the actual releases the more you think
越显得他们经典的乐队 these were absolutely classic albums
在还活跃的时期 and should have been
他们的专辑应该 you know should have sold in their
大卖几十万张 times hundreds of thousands really
就独立乐领域来说 They were so musically ahead of the game
他们的音乐领先了时代 in terms of the independent sector
Paul可能至今都是我见过的 Paul was just still probably still
最好的吉他手 the best guitarists I've ever seen
我们只是想要现场效果 We just wanted to be very convincing live
和专辑一样好 as well as on record
如果听了张好专辑 There's nothing worse than when you hear
现场看完觉得 a great record and you go and see the band
还不如预期的一半 and it doesn't even come up
没有比这更糟的了 to half your expectations
我觉得Blueboy有件事 I think one of the things about Blueboy
许多人可能不知道 that maybe a lot of people don't know
因为他们没机会 because they didn't have the opportunity
去看现场 to see them
他们的演出真的很精彩 is how fantastic they were live
Keith一直很擅写词 Keith's lyrics were always fantastic
很个人化 and I know very personal to him
他们在Sarah发了首张单曲 And the first single they did for us
《Clearer》是Sarah所有唱片里 Clearer was I think the only occasion
唯一一张 on Sarah that we actually included
附了歌词本的 a lyric sheet with the records just because
因为里面的歌词实在太赞 we thought the lyrics were so good
“Clearer”十分微妙 Clearer's a very subtle song
其实是关于同性恋权利的 about gay rights basically
Keith从来都不想 And Keith never really wanted to
成为发言人 sort of be any sort of spokesperson
或者其他什么角色 or anything like that
这一点完全可以理解 Which is fully understandable
但与现在相比 But I think it's almost hard to
很难想象 remember back to how straight
90年代早期是 how homophobic the
多么直男 I suppose that was the early 90's
多么恐同的年代 really was compared with now
过去20年里 I think it's something that’s changed
这一点已经发生了巨大改变 enormously in last 20 years
那时的 I mean I think the age of consent
同性恋行为法定年龄还是21岁 was still 21 then for gay men
那些歌词是一种私密的记录 Those words a very much personal account
是从Keith眼中看到的 you know from Keith's point of view
你遵从本性 to be the way you are
可一夜之间 And then all of a sudden there's
政府颁布法令 some kind of you know
来规定约束你的行为 government ruling about how you behave
尽管如此《Melody Maker》还是评价说 But it didn't stop Melody Maker at the time
它是一首缺乏男子气概的 reviewing it as a limp wristed song
关于悲伤的歌曲 about being sad
考虑到它的确是 Which considering it was actually sort of
一首《第28条款》颁布后的歌曲 Post Section 28 song
一个乐评人会那样去评价 It is an extraordinary thing
是挺特别的 for a reviewer to write
你会很想知道 他们那样写时 and you do wonder what was going through
脑子里究竟在想什么 their minds when they wrote it
音乐杂志对Sarah Records The music press absolutely hated
绝对深恶痛绝到了极点 and detested and loathed Sarah Records with abandon
它包含了所有 It was everything they absolutely
他们对音乐的痛恨之处 hated about music
他们觉得Sarah是twee They thought it was twee
是性冷淡 they thought it was sexless
觉得Sarah没骨气 they thought it had no balls
觉得它没种 they thought it had no bollocks
他们不理解fanzine They didn't understand the fanzines
不理解7吋黑胶单曲 they didn't understand the 7" single thing
不理解薄膜唱片 they didn't understand the flexi discs
他们不理解为什么 they didn't understand why
厂牌要叫Sarah it was called Sarah Records
他们也不理解那些乐队 and they didn't understand the bands
就是什么都理解不了 they just didn't get it at all
当时的音乐圈非常大男子主义 The music scene was really macho
都玩非常爷们的音乐 and really noisy and that was
舞曲圈以外 what everyone was doing
基本都是这样 apart from the dance scene
我们Heavenly是抵制那种的 And we Heavenly reacted against that
Sarah也是一样 and Sarah reacted against that
但那股风气就是媒体造的势 But of course that was what the press
他们喜欢那样 而我们不 was building up and loved and we were not
我们因此站在了对立面 We were the antithesis
成人杂志出现了 The lads mags came along
然后冒出了Oasis那样的 and then after that sort of bands
雄性乐队 like Oasis came along
从音乐和社会角度 And again just trading in all these
贩卖那些糟糕的 horrible reactionary ideas both musically
反动的想法 and sort of socially
这些都太陈腐 And it's just so hackneyed
太缺乏想象力了 it's so unimaginative and it's just
彻底的压抑感 thoroughly depressing
你会想 You just think
难道我们都没亲历过这些 have we not been through all this and
并且视之为错误吗？ we saw that it was wrong once?
最折磨我们的一个词 The word that bugged us most was the
就是twee the twee word
在当时twee就是 Twee was absolutely at the time
最侮辱人的 you know one of the worst insults
单词之一 you could throw at anyone
没有人 没有人喜欢被称为twee Nobody, but nobody liked being called twee
没有人 绝对没人 No one. No one
你去问任何 You ask any musician from
上世纪80年代末90年代初的音乐人 back in the late 80's, early 90's
没人愿意被冠上twee No one liked being called twee
我想作为澳大利亚人 I think because as Australians
Twee这个形容 the idea of being twee
在文化上令我们十分反感 was culturally repulsive to us
我想如果我们是年轻的 I think if we were young
皮肤白白的英国人 white pasty English lads
可能会更合适 it might have you know, fit better
但作为澳洲人 But as Ozzies
Twee放在我们身上并不合适 twee was not a good fit for us
我还记得曾被描述为 I actually remember being described
Fey和twee 我不得不 as being fey and twee and I had to go
查了下字典 and find a dictionary to find out
到底什么意思 因为在格拉斯哥 what it was because it's no words I'd ever
我从没有听过或用过这些词 heard or used before in Glasgow
说某个事物非常twee时 Everything about the idea of something that's twee
其实并不是认真的 That is not there to be taken seriously
也不是在发表什么声明 that is not making a statement
就是一种漫不经心的贬低 It's kind of throwaway in a negative sense
或者说是非常幼稚的 or childish in a negative sense
对我而言 这个词所表达的 For me that's everything that you know
差不多就是Sarah一直在抵制的 kind of Sarah was kind of standing against
但人们却没明白个中讽刺 but people didn't get the irony
这才是最要命的 And that's the point
可以确定的是 如果有张Sarah唱片 I know for a fact that if a Sarah record
出现在我那时候工作的 turned up at the Melody Maker which
《Melody Maker》办公室 is where I was working by that point
我和同事Bob Stanley都是 Myself and Bob Stanley who was their other
厂牌坚定的拥护者 big champion in the music press
如果那张唱片出现 If it turned up and me and Bob
但不是我或Bob写评 didn't grab it
肯定会被贬得一文不值 it would immediately get panned
是哪个乐队都不重要 It wouldn't matter what the band was
只要是Sarah发行的 it was the fact that it was on Sarah Records
就一定会被差评 Bands would definitely get panned
只因他们是Sarah的一员 because they were on Sarah Records
百分之百这样 For sure
只要看见Sarah出的唱片 Because they seen it was a Sarah Record
他们就会用不变的陈词滥调 they went down the same old cliches
有时我甚至惊讶 Every now and again I'd be surprised tho
还真会有人显得好像 there'd be somebody who actually sounded
有认真听过我们 like they listened to it
你收到一堆唱片 You get sent such a volume of stuff
然后你开始 That you start
不可能全听一遍 There's no way you can listen to it all
于是你开始 And you start making
仓促做出一些决定 snap decisions about things
有时候基于 sometimes based on
一些相当奇怪的标准 on kind of quite odd criteria
所以我能够理解 And I could understand
这不是原谅 I'm not condoning it
并不是说那就对 I'm not saying it's right
我只是能理解一个音乐记者 I can understand why a music journalist
对Sarah给出某些负面评价 who decided that Sarah Records was something
其实私下都懒得听 wouldn't even bother to listen to
Sarah寄给他们的唱片 the stuff they sent them
因为压根没时间 Because there wasn't the time
你也必须明白 And also you have to understand that
Sarah Records把自己 Sarah Records put itself
放在了音乐媒体的对立面 in opposition to the music press
如果Sarah出版 It's hardly surprising that the
fanzine去攻击那些音乐媒体 music journalists aren't going to like
记者们因此不喜欢他们 Sarah Records if they are putting out
也是自然而然的 fanzines attacking the music press you know
音乐记者也是人 The music journalists are only human
如果他们读到别人写 If they are gonna read stuff saying how
他们都是废物 并不喜欢音乐 crap they are and how they don't like music
并没有任何热情 and how they don't feel passionate about it
那很有可能 well it's quite possible that they're
他们也不会喜欢这些人 not going to like the records
发行的唱片 that these people put out
我认为当时 You know I think it's all in the
局面非常混乱 rough and tumble of the environment at that time
某种程度上说挺好 And I think in a way it's good
至少有人注意到了你 You know at least people were noticing you
他们朝你开炮 If they are taking shots at you
可以说是件好事 you could say that's a good thing
你做的事至少 You've done something
吸引了 You're worth paying attention to
某种程度的关注 in some kind of a way
我们在Sarah When we were on Sarah
发行《Loveblind》后 and Loveblind came out
NME给出了他们有史以来 NME gave it one of the worst reviews
对单曲的最差评价之一 they've ever published for a single
具体怎么说的？ And what's the exact quote?
他们说《Loveblind》 They said that Loveblind was
等同于癌症 equivalent to cancer
真是惨不忍睹 And it was just completely slated
显然John Peel看到了那篇乐评 and apparently John Peel read that review
他说任何能引起 and he said that any band that elicits
那么多愤怒的乐队 都值得一听 that much wrath is worthy of a listen
所以他听了那首歌 So he started to listen to it and made it
选为本周最佳单曲 single of the week and
于是它还上了独立榜单 it broke the indie charts
我们的排行榜最好成绩 highest entry wasn't it
不需要音乐媒体 The fact that it could survive
唱片也可以存活 without the music press
音乐媒体可不喜欢这样 The music press doesn't really like that
Sarah完全是一个 and it was a completely
自给自足的世界 self contained world Sarah you know
我有个也玩乐队的朋友 And I remember I had a friend who was
他们签的大厂牌 in a band who were on a major label
他无法相信我们的报道那么多 and he could not believe the press we got
他们背后有庞大的团队 When he actually had a big promotions team
可就是 behind him and they just didn't
不受任何青睐 get any of the coverage
我曾在百代唱片工作过一段时间 I worked for EMI Records for a while
市场部的那些家伙 and the guys in the marketing department
永远搞不懂我们怎样在 there could never understand how we managed
没很多预算的情况下 to get on the radio or anything
让电台放我们的歌之类的 without spending vast amounts of money
这种反差很讽刺的 And there was some kind of bitterness
他们要花20万英镑 really that they were spending ￡200,000
去推广一张唱片 to market a record and yet we'd perhaps
而我们只是把它寄给John Peel you know post it to John Peel and he'd
感谢他从一大堆唱片里 he good enough to search it out
找到我们 然后在电台播出 of his big pile and play it you know
这可能也引起了 so there's possibly a little bit
其他人的不满 of resentment of how come they are
为什么他们能取得这样的成功 how come they are getting this success
他们甚至都不在 when they are not part of
整个庞大的体系中 the big machine you know
人们依然喜欢Sarah Records People still like Sarah Records and the NME
而NME差不多已经绝迹了 has all but disappeared
这又是一场胜利 So another, another win I think there
我们为什么解散 Why did we disband?
关于这个 There are lots of stories about why
有很多传言 we disbanded but the real reason
但解散的真正原因是 we disbanded I think was because
我们已经到了极限 we'd got as far as we could go
没有其他可以做的了 There was nothing else to do
我还记得The Field Mice I remember the night The Field Mice
在台上宣布解散的那一晚 broke up on stage
因为你知道 Because you know
一定是有什么事 there was clearly something up
一种清晰而强烈的紧张感 Clearly there was tensions were running high
但那并不像是 but it wasn't like
闹翻了之类的 like a sort of brawl or anything
是以一种非常Sarah的方式 It was a very Sarah Records kind of way of
你懂的 you know what I mean
解散的 成员非常难过 Of breaking up where people just clearly
受够了彼此 very upset and fed up with each other
是那种 and were kind of
被动攻击型的 emotions were running high in this rather
愈演愈烈 passive aggressive way
他们都不互相看 And they weren't looking at each other
这又是非常Sarah which seemed again a very Sarah Records
非常Field Mice的方式 a very Field Mice way of expressing
来表达各自的不满 ones disapproval of just sort of...
多么令人难过的画面 What a sad state of affairs
我们在舞台上看起来太伤心了 We looked so sad on stage
肢体语言那么失落 那么消沉 Our body language is so down and so low
虽然以前也没很高昂 Not sure it was ever that up!
但当时实在是 But it was just
看着这幅样子你会想 you just look at it and just think
这群人真的太丧了 that is a sad group of people
# 恋情终了结 # The end of the affair
# 彼此已相忘 # We no longer care
# 从此是路人 # For each other
带着Field Mice典型的任性 In typical Field Mice perversity
乐队不仅在那场 they played not only brand new songs
演了新歌 At the gig
在试音的时候 they played a brand new song
就演了一首全新的 in the sound check
之前演出从没演过的 which they never then played in the concert
即使知道以后不会有机会再演 Even though they know they are not going
也不再会 to do it again and they're not
彼此亲密无间 speaking to each other
那真是又荒诞又精彩 That's just brilliantly absurd
# 曾经的不可或缺 # Once I needed you so
# 就这样变成 # Now I can't stand being
# 水火不容 # in the same room as you
那一刻好难过 And it was very sad
非常非常难过 It was very, very sad
我很努力地让自己 I just remember trying very hard not to cry
不要在最后哭出来 at the end
你知道 最后一首歌时 You know, the last song
我记得我走出场地 I remember as I walked out
Michael正好站在门口 Michael was standing by the door
我对他说 And I said
你知道吗 你们是 "You know you were
全世界最好的乐队 the best band in the world?"
他回答说 And he went
是的 我知道 "Yeah I know“
我相信Bobby和Michael I'm sure Bobby and Michael
不会介意我这么说 won't mind me saying
他们有时候是世界上 they could be the most awkward people
最麻烦的人 in the world at times
因为他们知道自己要什么 that's because they knew what they wanted
绝不会让我们 and they certainly didn't want to have us
告诉他们做什么 telling them what to do
他们最后一次巡演 And the final tour they did
终于可以演一些 when they were finally sort of playing
较大的场地 biggish venues
你想 好的 and you just thought OK finally
他们终于能出人头地了 they are going to break through and become huge
然而他们却决定 And then obviously they decide
这时解散 to split up instead
这个决定可能也是 And again that probably sort of
对他们的最好总结 sums them up
令人沮丧 Frustrating
但又精彩无比 but fantastic
# 就此作别 可好 # This is it, isn't it?
# 就此作别 再见 # This is it, this is the end
我们在Sarah发的那张专辑 The record that we released on Sarah
其实是从一个日本厂牌引进的 was actually licensed from a Japanese label
当时The Hit Parade在日本 because The Hit Parade had actually become
非常知名 还和 quite huge in Japan and were signed
那边一个大厂牌签了约 to a major label out there
Julian Henry是The Hit Parade的核心 Julian Henry is the man behind the Hit Parade
Julian带给别人很多启发 Julian was a real inspirational figure
乐队许多早期金曲 because a lot of those early Hit Parade
都是他一个人完成的 singles he basically made on his own
他好像完全理解 He just seemed to be somebody who
流行乐该是什么样的 completely understood what pop music should be about
他就想出一批 He just wanted to release series of
十分完美的3分钟7吋吉他流行唱片 absolutely perfect 3 minute 7 inch guitar pop records
The Sugargliders是一支墨尔本乐队 The Sugargliders were a Melbourne band
由两兄弟Josh和Joel Meadows组成 two brothers Josh and Joel Meadows
我们对Sarah仰慕已久 We'd admired Sarah Records for a long time
并且 And
我们花了所有的钱 we'd spent all our money recording
录了单曲“Letter from A Lifeboat” Letter from A Lifeboat
然后 And then
我们基本没有 basically we didn't have much
宣传计划 of a marketing plan
就是把歌寄给了Sarah we just sent it to Sarah Records
来英国后 One thing they wanted to do
他们特别想 when they came over to England
和Ian Catt一起录音 was to record with Ian Catt because
因为他们是The Field Mice忠实歌迷 they'd been big fans of the Field Mice
所以他们想 and they sort of wanted to go and record
去他的录音室 in his studio and try and get some of that
在自己的音乐里加些Ian Catt的声音 Ian Catt sound on their own recordings
于是就有了后来的“Ahprahan” and that was the Ahprahran single that we did
而且 And
他们来的时候是冬天 they came over in the middle of winter
他们显然没意识到这点 but they obviously didn't seem to realise
出现在希思罗机场时 this because I remember them turning up
他们都穿着短裤 at Heathrow Airport in shorts
外面还下着雪 And it was snowing as well and
还记得 I remember Joel sort of scraping snow
Joel在房子外面 off the bonnet of the cars
刮车前盖上的积雪 outside our house as if he'd
好像从来没见过雪一样 never seen snow before
我相信他肯定见过 I'm sure he had but it was very much
但感觉他们对要来的地方真没概念 the impression that they didn't quite know where they'd come
也没想好来做什么 and what they were doing here
The Harvest Ministers
是都柏林的一支乐队 are a Dublin based band
他们在Crayon Records who had put out their first single
发行了第一张单曲 themselves on Crayon Records
“You Do My World The World Of Good”
所以我们帮他们发的第一张 So our first single we did with them
是再版那张 was to re-release that
他们是又一支 I think they are another of those hands
并不真正符合 that really didn't fit in with the
Sarah或者所谓Sarah标志性风格 sort of Sarah or the perceived Sarah sound
不属于Sarah圈子的乐队 and the Sarah scene but you know
但这才是美妙之处 that's fantastic 他们来这里演出 When they came over here to play some gigs
非常吃惊 they were quite surprised by the fact that
自己被期望 they were expected to play for
演差不多30到40分钟 sort of half an hour, 40 minutes
在都柏林他们习惯了 Because back in Dublin they were used to
演那种2个小时的 sort of doing 2 hour sets with
还带幕间休息 an interval in the middle because that's
是他们那边的做法 the scene they come from
我至今不知道 I've still really no idea why
为什么East River Pipe主动联系我们 East River Pipe got in touch with us
一天我们收到了 Just one day we got these two 7" singles
两张7吋单曲 arrived in the post
是他们在纽约自己厂牌发的 that they'd put out on their own label back in New York
我们觉得很棒 Which we thought were great
就联系了他们 问 so we got in touch with them and said
可以许可我们 can we sort of license these
在这边发行吗？ and release them over here?
East River Pipe其实就是 I mean East River Pipe is really just this
F.M Fred Cornog的一人乐队 one guy F.M Fred Cornog
他明显也是 And again he's one of those people
和大多数Sarah乐队 who is clearly not coming from the same sort of background
并不是来自 that most of the Sarah bands
同一个成长环境的人 are perceived to be coming from
有意思的是 And it's interesting that his songs
他的歌被 have been covered by
其他很多人翻唱 a lot of other people out there
Lambchop曾在某张里 I think Lambchop covered 3 of his songs
翻唱了3首他的歌 on one of their albums
所以他在美国是一个 So he's actually a very well respected
非常受尊敬的音乐创作人 sort of singer songwriter out in the States
我认为 I suppose the one
最大的遗憾是 the one regret is the fact that
厂牌下的一些乐队 it's a shame that some of the bands
没能更成功 weren't more successful
是的 我认为 Yes I think
如果去其他厂牌 some of the bands might have got
他们可能会走更远 further on other labels
我们从未幻想 We never dreamt of selling
卖出百万单曲 millions and millions of singles and
坐着游艇 going on yachts around you know
环游世界之类的 around the world or anything like that
我们很知足 We just wanted to do what we did
如果不是Matt和Clare If it wasn't for Matt and Clare
我们不会有机会去 I don't think we'd have ever got into
录音棚录音 a recording studio
我们的歌也永远不可能 and the songs would never
走出一盘磁带的天地 have got off a cassette
如果The Field Mice当时能够 If The Field Mice had been able
以自己的个性 to survive it's own personalities
和内部关系生存下去 it's own dynamics
那待在Sarah可能 then perhaps being on Sarah might have been
就会是成功道路上的 might have been a barrier to The Field Mice
一个阻碍 being more successful, bigger etc
但在那一步之前 But I think we would have imploded
乐队可能已经从内部瓦解了 before that happened anyway
Bobby和我去找 Bobby and I went to a talk with a guy
一个发行公司的人聊过 from a publishing company
是发行 I think it was the people who published
Depeche Mode那个级别的公司 Depeche Mode or something like that
Bobby和我去了 And Bobby and I went
出来后就心想 and we came out thinking
我们永远不会 you know, we are nothing to do
和那样的人扯上关系 with people like that
我们不是那样的人 We're not like that
我们永远永远 We would never, ever, ever
不会指望出名 looking to be big
我没那样想过 I don't think
一个独立厂牌 You know an independent label
一个真正的独立厂牌 a true independent label
无法像大厂牌那样 is a small indie
提供许多资金 one that's not cashed up a major
超过一定程度后 really has very little it can do for you
它能做的就极有限了 beyond a certain point
无法帮你达到特定高度 lt just can't take you to a certain level
没钱这么做 it just doesn't have the finances to do it
连支付版税都很勉强 They can barely pay royalties let alone
更不用说投大笔钱 put significant amounts of money into a
为一张唱片开展营销推广 promotions campaign around a record
或提供巨额资金 Or provide significant funding for
支持你的巡演 tour support so that when you go on tour
让你在巡演中 you can travel with a
比较舒服 reasonable amount of comfort
让乐队 The band is you know
在每个地方都能 well connected into all the press and PR
获得报道 参与公关活动 opportunities in every location
但所有这些都要求 All of those things, that does require
普通小厂牌所不具备的 more resources than
丰富资源 the average small indie has
我和乐队在这方面 We never really went for it
从没刻意追求过 with the band in terms of
我们从不无止尽地巡演 we never really toured non stop
之类的 and this sort of thing
没有非要达成的目标 and really tried to make a go of it
总是因为 It was always was kind of
很有趣才去做 就和大家 a really fun thing that we did alongside
对待学习、工作 our studies or our work or
或者其他日常的事情一样 whatever each of us was doing
考虑到我们也不太确定 So given that we were kind of a bit
想要多出名 unsure how big we wanted to make it ourselves
Sarah就是我们最完美的选择 I think Sarah was probably perfect for us
也许我们会希望当年 Perhaps we would have liked them to
他们能在商业上 have be more ambitious
再多点野心 in sort of a business sense
我是说 就我们而言 I mean I think for us it would have been
如果能和厂牌一起走得更远就好了 great if we could have gone further with the label
但回过头看 But in retrospect
当你重新回顾 you know looking back on it
就不得不对他们的理念肃然起敬 You have to develop a respect for the idea
并非是他们如何经营厂牌 that wasn't how they were running the label
厂牌就像他们的一个策展项目 It was being run as a curatorial project
而不是一门买卖 That it wasn't being run as a business
许多独立厂牌 and that is typical of
都是这样的 so many independent labels
通常由狂热的乐迷创建 So they are often set up by fanatics
对某一特定类型的音乐有强烈喜好 by fans who love a particular kind of music
对他们而言 and for them as long as they
只要能从事那类音乐 can be engaged in that music
从厂牌角度看 that's what success looks like
就算是成功 from a label perspective
这和把成功定义为 Which is very different from thinking that
卖掉许许多多的唱片 success is selling lots of copies of
扩大生意规模 records and scaling up your business
和这类想法非常不同 and all that kind of stuff
我们的不够专业 I think we were maybe just
和大多数厂牌 unprofessional in an entirely different way
是完全不同的 from most record labels
你知道的 So you know we weren't
我们并没有自甘堕落 嗑药 you know falling apart and doing drugs
整天脾气很臭的样子 and being pissed all the time
我们只是 We were just
拍一些巴士的照片 taking pictures of buses
我的许多朋友肯定都 Certainly a lot of my friends were
非常意外 并不相信 very surprised and didn't in fact
我说我们要在Sarah believe me when I said we are going
发唱片的事 to do a record on Sarah
因为我们明显比 Because we were considerably noisier
厂牌的多数乐队要吵闹 than most of the bands on the label
特别是我们的现场 Especially live shows we played
每次都闹哄哄的 were a pretty god awful racket
Boyracer真是用生命在做乐队 Boyracer actually really lived it
他们不断演出 不断巡演 They gigged a lot, they toured a lot
Stewart
不断在写歌 写歌 再写歌 writes songs, writes songs, writes songs
可以一整天都在创作 and can write them all day I think
音乐真的就是他们的生命 And you know it really was their lives
你能从中看出 and I think you can tell that from their
他们对音乐的热情和喜爱 passion and their enthusiasm for it
我以前常去利兹找他 I used to go up and see him in Leeds and he
看见他在摊位上卖烤土豆 was selling baked potatoes from a stall
是在Spud-U-Like Spud-U-like I think
就在 you know in the
就在购物中心里 in the shopping centre
这就是他每天的工作 and that was what he did in the day for
其余时间都给了Boyracer for living Boyracer the rest of the time
他们真的 And really had their
全身心投入到了音乐中 their sort of hearts and souls in it
是厂牌让我和 The label was what drew myself and Dickon
Shelly的另一个成员Dickson结识 who was in Shelley together
还有Simon和Steven and Simon and Steven
当时也在乐队 who were also in the band
但我们从未想过 But I don't think we ever had ideas
会成为Sarah一员 that we would be a Sarah Records band
因为这像是 because that seemed like
遥不可及的 an impossible thing
你知道 You know we
我们差不多崇拜 pretty much worshipped
厂牌下的大多数乐队 most of the bands on that label
实在没法想象 We couldn't possibly imagine that
有一天 we'd be allowed to be
会和他们在同一个厂牌 you know in the same company
我十分高兴 I was really
发行Shelley的单曲 pleased to do the Shelley single
因为我们认识乐队每个人 because we'd known everybody involved
有很多年了 in the band for years
能和他们合作 It was just really nice to work with
发一张唱片 all these people and
是非常美妙的 put out a record by them
每次单曲发行 When they released the singles they always
他们总会列出接下来 used to put out the next few releases
即将发行的条目 that were coming up
在Sarah 100发行前 Prior to that they'd billed
他们却卖起了关子 Sarah 100 as a surprise
每个人都在想 and so everyone was thinking
到底会是什么呢？ What is it going to be?
一张专辑吗？ Is it going to be an album?
还是豪华版大盒子？ A sort of deluxe box set or something?
我们尽量不透露 We tried to tell as few people as possible
否则就会破坏 because obviously that would have spoilt
这个意外 the surprise slightly because
因为我们真地想 we really wanted to just
把大家吓一跳 hit people with this
有件事 One thing we always knew
我们从一开始就知道 right from the start
就是我们不想 was that we didn't want to be
成为那些日薄西山 one of those labels that just sort of
步入迟暮的厂牌 petered out and faded away
我们一直清楚 We always knew that we wanted
想要那种痛快的结束 to go out with a bang essentially
这一直都是关键 I mean it was just always about
深思熟虑地结束使命 sort of stopping in a very deliberate way
这样的话 and making
结局就会和开头一样重要 the end as important as the beginning
他们像是在巅峰时终结的 It's like they killed it right in its prime
你知道 you know which
这是非常奇怪的事情 is a very strange thing to do
并且 And
可能也很需要勇气 it probably takes a lot of guts
才能做到 to do something like that
他们说过会这么做 That's what they said they were going to do
这就是他们的理念 而且真的做到了 That was the ethos and they did it
非常非常令人佩服 And it's yeah really, really admirable
你也知道 And you know
要让乐迷有饥饿感 you gotta leave the kids wanting more
大多数人 I think people generally
认可这件事 thought it was a great thing to do
他们非常喜欢 I mean people really like
我们在杂志上的那则宣言 the advert we that we took out in the press
回头看 我想 Which I mean I look back at that and I think
真的说不出更好的了 really couldn't have said that any better
那就是我们想表达的 that says exactly what we wanted it to say
他们在杂志上 I mean they had that brilliant
刊登了那则宣言 final flourish when they put that advert
这是最后的辉煌 in the music press and went
告诉人们一切要结束了 we're stopping doing this and you know
这是我们精彩的告别 we've made this amazing statement
我边读边感叹 And I sort of remember reading that
说得太好了！ and thinking yeah right on!
我想要 Then I wanted to
把所有母带 I wanted to put all the master tapes
都堆成一堆然后烧掉 in a big pile and burn them
好像那才真的是 I thought that would be the real kind of
摧毁一切的临时起意 pop up statement of destroying everything
还好Matt及时理智干预 but Matt's wiser council prevailed
他说得对 I think Matt had a very good point that
那样做对乐队不太公平 it wasn't very fair on the bands really
毕竟都是他们的心血 It was their songs and recordings
我们早就想好 We'd always had the idea for
最后一张Sarah last release being the
应该是《There And Back Again Lane》合集 There And Back Again Lane compilation
而封面一定是 And it was always going to have the
克里夫顿吊桥 Clifton Suspension Bridge on the front
但我们 But we
真的很想搞 we really wanted to make it
一个活动 一场派对 an event and a party
算是庆祝厂牌 And a sort of celebration of the label
画上句号 and sort of very definite end
所以就有了布里斯托 So we threw a party here
Thekla的这场派对 on the Thekla in Bristol
记得那天下午完成工作 I remember finishing work in the afternoon
我走路去Thekla and just walking down to the Thekla
看见有人在外面排队 and just seeing queues of people outside
队伍里有从世界各地 There was like fans there from
赶来的乐迷 different parts of the world
都穿着带破洞的 with like all these old moth eaten t-shirts
印着旧单曲封面的旧T恤 with kind of old singles on the front
这很了不起 That was the extraordinary thing
售票时 When we were selling tickets that
有人说是从香港 people were writing from Hong Kong
美国、澳大利亚写信来的 and the States and Australia
我们心想 and we were sort of thinking
他们真会来吗？ Are these people really coming'?
有些大概不 I think some didn't
他们只为买张门票 they just wanted a ticket
但有些还真是 but some they genuinely did
那晚就有人说 You know on the night people were saying
我是香港来的某某 I'm so and so from Hong Kong
那种感觉真的很棒 and that is fantastic
他们把场地装点得 And they'd decked it out like a sort of
很有派对气氛 really like a party with
到处是气球 balloons everywhere
彩带和其他东西 and streamers and what
我似乎记得 I seem to remember
那晚喝得很醉 a lot of drunkenness
我似乎记得 I seem to remember some rather dodgy
厕所里发生了一些 and un-indie like behaviour
有点污有点不indie的事情 going on in the toilets!
难以置信的派对 The party was incredible
听了那么多年 You know all these bands that you'd
的乐队都出现了 been listening to all these years
是一个时代的高潮 It's the culmination of all that time
就像独立乐的麦加 So it was kind of like the Mecca
就像Sarah的 it was the like the Diwali
排灯节（印度“春节”） of Sarah if you like
每个人都很兴奋 Everyone was excited
心里充满感激 The crowd was so appreciative
也知道这是最后一次 but they knew it was gonna be the last time
他们喜欢的乐队 that a collection of you know the bands they like
同台演出 were going to be there at the same time
许多人问 A lot of people saying
接下来呢？ What's going to happen?
他们同样觉得 Because like us they felt as though
好像失去了依靠 they'd sort of lost their moorings a little bit
他们总以为 They'd come to rely
Sarah会一直存在 Sarah always being there and the next
一直会有下场演出 you know the next gig and the next record
下张唱片 that was going to come out
这可能是我第一次 I think it was probably the first time
真正觉得 for me that I actually thought
此刻应该去珍惜 that this is a moment actually to cherish
去思考 去记住 and to think about and to remember
因为这再也不会发生了 Because this isn't going to happen again
当时我们还在一起 We were still together at that point
但已经貌合神离了 but sort of drifting apart I think and
我可以说 And I suppose
我们是为了厂牌 I was going to say we stayed together
所以还在一起 for the sake of the label
但那不是真的 but that wouldn't be strictly true
有一点肯定 But I think that it was clear that we
我们各自差不多都有 sort of had our own ideas of what
未来的计划 we wanted to do next and
一旦厂牌结束 and obviously once the label had ended
就没什么能阻止我们 there was really nothing to really stop us
分道扬镳 going our separate ways
做自己的事了 and doing our own thing after that
都搬去伦敦后我们就分手了 We split up as we both moved to London
过程中没有一点争吵 There was never a falling out and you know
他永远是我最信赖的人 I trust him to the ends of the earth
我们只是觉得 I think it was more about sort of
外面的世界可能更精彩 what else might be out there
不是说有更好的男友 I don't necessarily mean in terms of
而是 boyfriends but just a kind of
一段新的生活 a different life
那就好像是 I suppose it's almost like suddenly
我快30岁了 我一直生活在 I was in my late 20s and the world
牡蛎壳里 我觉得 was my oyster and I kind of felt the need 需要走出去做些自己的事 to go off and do my own thing
我建了新厂牌Shinkansen So I set up Shinkansen
就在结束Sarah不久后 fairly soon after the end of Sarah
聚集了一些 Including a couple of the old
以前Sarah的乐队 Sarah bands on the label
Sarah之后我开始在Vital工作 After Sarah I ended up working for Vital
那是当时一家大型独立乐分销商 who were big indie distributors at that point
我开始为别人选择的乐队工作 And working on bands you hadn't chosen
里面有一些我真的喜欢 I mean whilst I really like some of them
但和以前很不同 was just so different from working on
以前只有你最相信的乐队 the stuff you really believed in that
我想不到还有什么 I really couldn't think of another
我想为之工作的厂牌 record label I wanted to go and work for
或者在音乐行业里想做的事 or something I wanted to do in the industry
这一行里应该也有 And I mean I'm sure there are senior women
职位很高的女性 in the music industry
但我是没见过 but I couldn't see any of them
我能见到的高层都是男性 The bosses I was seeing were all male
在这里我无法预见 and I couldn't really see much
自己的未来 of a future for for me in it
要么就是不想要的 that I either wanted
要么就是 Or could really see a way
不知如何实现的 of kind of getting to and
我回过头发现 And I ended up looking back at the fact
我有几门数学高考成绩 that I'd got a couple of Maths A Levels
还有经济学学位 and an Economics degree and
就去学注册会计师了 went off to train as a chartered accountant
Shinkansen运营了几年 Shinkansen went on for a few years
但在最后时期 But by the end of Shinkansen
音乐行业已彻底改变 the music industry had completely changed
有了互联网 You now had the web you have
和各种途径 all the available outlets available there
让人听到你的音乐 for getting people to hear your music
为什么还需要 Why would you need
一个厂牌呢？ a record label basically?
除非愿意花许多钱 Unless they are going to put thousands
帮你做推广 of pounds behind your marketing
完全可以自己做 You are much better off just doing it
许多人也证明了 by yourselves and clearly lots of people
靠自己 proved that you can become quite successful
也能相当成功 just by doing it by yourselves so
比起Shinkansen Certainly I enjoyed Sarah
我当然更喜欢Sarah more than Shinkansen
Shinkansen感觉 Shinkansen felt more like this is what
只是一份工作 I do as a job rather than something really
而不是非常积极有价值 positive and worthwhile which is
会让世界更美好的事 making the world a better place
正如以前Sarah which is what Sarah
一直致力于的 was always supposed to be
Sarah让你相信 Sarah were the record label who made you
你也能做自己的厂牌 think that you could do it yourself
他们推出了一些 They just put out some incredible
非常不可思议的唱片 incredible, incredible records
Sarah在西班牙 The legacy of Sarah Records in Spain
影响深远 has been huge
在美国许多人 There are people in America
十分迷恋Sarah Records who are completely obsessed with Sarah Records you know
我就是其中之一 I'm one of them
谁会想到在英格兰 Who would have thought that a small label
一个名叫Sarah的小厂牌 out of England called Sarah Records
发行了一些唱片 would make records and recordings
却能穿过半个世界 that could touch a person such as myself
深深打动 half way across the world over in
我这样一个美国中部的人 the middle of the United States?
我是Kady 今年18岁 I'm Kady and I'm 18 years old
Sarah Records关门的时候 which means that when Sarah Records ended
我还只是个小孩 I was a small child
我是Gene 今年16岁 My name is Gene, I am 16 years old
你在全世界都能听到 All over the world you hear people
人们谈论Sarah Records talking about Sarah Records
在日本 在雅加达 in Japan and in Jakarta
那里的青少年也在谈论Sarah Records You know kids talking about Sarah Records
差不多成了不成文的惯例 and it's kind of become an institution
任何人想在任何风格中 Anyone that is looking for sincere
寻找真实又纯粹的音乐 real music, of any genre
听听Sarah Records吧 Seek out Sarah Records
我很震惊 这些唱片 It also blows me away that these recordings
都问世20年了 are 20 years old now
竟是20年前的音乐 That was 20 years ago
Wow
这种钟爱和兴趣 It is surprising the affection
令我非常惊讶 and the interest in the label
因为 because
距离厂牌成立已经25年了 it is 25 years ago since we started it
结束厂牌也是17年前的事了 so 17 since we stopped it
我们当然从未指望 We certainly never dreamt that people
人们25年后 would still be talking about it
还会谈论它 in 25 years time and probably
甚至比以前谈得更多 talking about it more now than they ever were
当你建立起一个东西 When you actually set something up that
它成了一个标志 that really plants a flag
渐渐你会发现 then you'll find that that's something
它产生的共鸣超越了自身 that will resonate beyond it's initial life
甚至在关门以后 So I mean even after the label
甚至是现在 closed it's doors and even now
Sarah引发的共鸣和联系仍在持续 there's an incredible connection to Sarah that goes on
近年来最不可思议的是 One of the most extraordinary things in recent years
数字音乐下载所引发的影响 has been with the whole digital downloads side of things
突然之间 那些我们以为 That suddenly, records that we thought
被遗忘和遗失的唱片 were forgotten about and lost
一下又重新出现了 have suddenly reappeared because
如今都能下载到 people can now download them
我想那就是为什么Sarah And I think that is an element to which
比当时更受欢迎的原因之一 Sarah is now bigger than it ever was at the time
Creation Records If you think about Creation Records
或Factory Records、ZTT or Factory Records or ZTT
还有Sarah Records、Sub Pop Records or Sarah Records or Sub Pop Records
他们的一个共同点就是 something they've all got in common is that
都善于形成一种 they are all really good at generating
围绕自身的整体的审美观 a kind of overall aesthetic around themselves
所有这些厂牌 And all of these labels
如今依然有很高威望 they are all still really highly regarded
整个厂牌都是Matt和Clare两人 The whole label was very hand made
亲力亲为 by Matt and Clare
亲自挑选每支乐队 Every band was chosen by them
竭力帮助他们 Every band was helped along by them
每张唱片都是他们在自家客厅 Every record was basically put together
亲手组装的 in their living room by them
Matt和Clare只是说 Matt and Clare just said
我们想让你们录张唱片 we'd like you to record an album
这就是厂牌的要求 就这些 That was the brief, that was it
你可以放手去做 So you just went and kind of did what you wanted
因为乐队被给予了 So I think because you got given
那份责任 that responsibility
所以也许 the bands probably cared more
相比一份巨额预算 than if there was a huge, great big budget
被指手画脚 他们会更用心 and you were told what to do
结果就是 你做出来的东西 The end result is that you've got something
会更加诚实 that's a bit more honest
更多一点 and a bit more
更个人化一些 you know a bit more personal
人们总是对 And people can always relate to
个人化的东西产生感情 something that's personal
我们曾那么天真 一无所知 We were so naive, we knew nothing
我觉得 某种程度上 You know I kind of think that in a way
是Sarah Records embodied everything that in my head
使我表达出了内心的东西 that was what Sarah Records
那就是它的初心 sort of stood for right at the start
你进到录音棚时 You know, in you go the studio
都不知道 and you have no idea quite
自己在做些什么 what you are doing
但一种特殊的东西就此孕育而生 but out of it comes something that's special
这背后的哲学就是 The whole philosophy I think that they ran
他们给人一种 that feeling of you know
与世界抗衡的感觉 us against the world
就好像厂牌 It was like the label
与乐队同等重要 was as important as the bands
即使Sarah还活跃时 Even when Sarah was going it was like
也像是人们心中的秘密 a little bit of people's secret
就好比 and it was like
原来你也喜欢Sarah Oh you like Sarah Records too!
那是属于 It was just it's own
它自己的秘密世界 It's own secret world
结束厂牌时 I think when we finished we thought
我们认为我们实现了一些东西 that we had really achieved something there
原先的目标吗？ What we'd set out to do
是的 我是认为 Yes I really think
我们做到了 而且 We did and
如果我们还在做的话 if we were still doing it now
可能会变成 we'd probably just go
哦 这只是我们出的 oh whatever it's only one out of
1000多张之一而已 a thousand or something
然而你知道 whereas you know
当你非常清楚只会出100张唱片 when you are clear on your 100
就会对每张都很在意 you've got to make every one count
我们真的做到了 And I really think we did that
我们力挺每一张唱片 We stand by every single one that we released
我想我们都 I think we are both quite
对这一切感到非常自豪 quietly proud of it all
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